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re: Illegal alien jumps out of car in AR and shoots at deputy.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:58 pm to xiv
Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:58 pm to xiv
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So is less murders per capita a good thing or a bad thing?
Per capita is BS. You cannot respond to the fact that if a criminal illegal who commits a crime was turned away at the border, a crime is prevented. It’s understandable because it’s impossible to refute.
Just to play the per capita twist..
If you have 100,000 people and 10 murders happen.. and you screen, review, process and approve 100,000 legal immigrants and send back the criminals... and the rate is now 10 per 200,000... who’s scenario is better?
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Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:58 pm to xiv
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Applying a family’s immediate mourning anecdotally to the general logic of this topic won’t work and is inappropriate. I won’t play along.
Because you can't.
We haven't even covered the cost to our government to take care of these illegals when they go to the hospital with no means of paying or need education for their kids. But, someone told me once never to argue with idiot so I will stop here.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 10:58 pm to xiv
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They make our credit card accounts less safe, and that’s the biggest issue with them.
Good grief. Remove your blinders.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:00 pm to CleverUserName
quote:It’s more like 13.8 since some legals murder, but I get your point.
If you have 100,000 people and 10 murders happen.. and you screen, review, process and approve 100,000 legal immigrants and send back the criminals... and the rate is now 10 per 200,000... who’s scenario is better?
I never said illegals should be here. I only said that they aren’t a safety threat.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:01 pm to xiv
No No you are avoiding a simple truth. Our crime rate could be 100,000 times what the illegal commission is but it does not void that even one crime committed by an illegal adds to the total number of crimes and the victim of that one crime was/is a statistical assurance that they were less safe. Why? Because they were preyed upon by someone that should not even have been here and would not have been that victim other wise.
So again... even ONE crime by ONE illegal makes the safety argument mathematically false
So again... even ONE crime by ONE illegal makes the safety argument mathematically false
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:02 pm to DevilDogTiger
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even ONE crime by ONE illegal makes the safety argument mathematically false
If illegal immigrants in this country accounted for one murder, then we need more illegal immigrants.
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:05 pm to xiv
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So is less murders per capita a good thing or a bad thing?
Your argument is hilarious.
If I have 100 people in a building and 5 of us are likely to be killed this year, then 5 are likely to be killed. OK. 5 per 100.
If 100 people break into my building and now, a total of 7 of the original 100 get killed, IDGAF if the "rate" went down because bluntly speaking, I'm not counting the 100 that broke in.
From the perspective of the ORIGINAL 100, the arrival of the new 100 is a net danger.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:06 pm to xiv
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I can see you get what I’m saying by your avoidance tactic here
Oh boy. That’s rich coming from you.
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The point is that illegals don’t make us less safe, as indicated by basic math.
You obviously... ahem... avoided my previous link.
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The 287(g) program and related efforts have found high rates of illegal alien incarceration in some communities. But it is unclear if the communities are representative of the country:
Maricopa County, Ariz.: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens;
Lake County, Ill.: 19 percent of jail inmates are illegal aliens;
Collier County, Fla.: 20 to 22 percent of jail inmates and arrestees are illegal aliens;
Weld County, Colo.: 12.8 to 15.2 percent of those jailed are illegal aliens.
Now if illegal immigration was stopped.. how would that affect those incarceration rates? Don’t use the avoidance tactic.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:07 pm to CleverUserName
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Oh boy. That’s rich coming from you.
xiv bitching about avoidance is like Miley Cyrus bitching about another girl being too slutty
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:10 pm to xiv
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I never said illegals should be here. I only said that they aren’t a safety threat
And that has been debunked. So what are we left with now?
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:10 pm to CleverUserName
quote:You obviously... ahem ... missed my reply to it a few posts ago. Nothing in what you provided addresses violent crime, how many said felons have committed violent crime, or refutes my consistent position that illegals commit less violent crime than natives.
You obviously... ahem... avoided my previous link.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:11 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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You are clueless.
You challenge BamaATL for the boards village idiot
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:12 pm to xiv
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You obviously... ahem ... missed my reply to it a few posts ago. Nothing in what you provided addresses violent crime, how many said felons have committed violent crime, or refutes my consistent position that illegals commit less violent crime than natives.
Your argument is hilarious.
If I have 100 people in a building and 5 of us are likely to be killed this year, then 5 are likely to be killed. OK. 5 per 100.
If 100 people break into my building and now, a total of 7 of the original 100 get killed, IDGAF if the "rate" went down because bluntly speaking, I'm not counting the 100 that broke in.
From the perspective of the ORIGINAL 100, the arrival of the new 100 is a net danger
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:14 pm to xiv
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illegals commit less violent crime than natives.
let me know when that number is zero Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:23 pm to xiv
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Nothing in what you provided addresses violent crime, how many said felons have committed violent crime, or refutes my consistent position that illegals commit less violent crime than natives.
Can we at least agree that a felon on the loose would be a threat to safety?
The link show Maricopa Co AZ has 22 percent of its jail population as felon criminal illegals. If my arithmetic isn’t rusty, that’s close to a quarter.
For the 100th time, if they were caught and sent back at the time of crossing, what would that have done to the felon criminal jail population? And how long were they out before they were caught? Threat to safety? Yes?
But but but 1000’s more came and dindu nuffin! Well, sorry, there are laws. Come legally. Strong border protection would have kept that 22 percent of felon illegal population in Maricopa co, AZ out of the country and the lives they possibly destroyed would still be whole.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:31 pm to CleverUserName
quote:Depends on what his crime is. You don’t seem to be interested in what percentage of the felons you cite are guilty of violent crime. I wouldn’t be so interested in it either, if I were you and I didn’t want to concede logical defeat in this discussion.
Can we at least agree that a felon on the loose would be a threat to safety?
quote:You’ll get no pushback from me on the merits of our laws. I stick to my singular argument as it pertains to the OP: illegal immigrants have not proven to be a threat to our safety, and I’ve supported this with an extensive study from a libertarian institute, and nobody in this thread has provided anything refuting that.
there are laws. Come legally.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:41 pm to xiv
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Depends on what his crime is.
Yea. I’m sure they are in jail for securities fraud, insider trading, bribery, cyber crimes, and money laundering.
Most criminal illegals from Central America have less than a high school education. I think we can make a spot on educated guess what some of the felonies are.
And you didn’t answer if that 22 percent population, while they were on the loose, was a threat to safety as you call it
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:47 pm to xiv
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I stick to my singular argument as it pertains to the OP: illegal immigrants have not proven to be a threat to our safety,
Well people used to believe the sun revolved around the earth, and some people still believe the earth is flat.
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illegal immigrants have not proven to be a threat to our safety, and I’ve supported this with an extensive study from a libertarian institute, and nobody in this thread has provided anything refuting that.
Well it’s just that we have..but you refuse to acknowledge it.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:48 pm to CleverUserName
quote:You tell me. It’s your info. Feel free to delve into it and let us know what you find.
I’m sure they are in jail for securities fraud, insider trading, bribery, cyber crimes, and money laundering.
quote:I’ve addressed this several times.
And you didn’t answer if that 22 percent population, while they were on the loose, was a threat to safety as you call it
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:55 pm to CleverUserName
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Well people used to believe the sun revolved around the earth, and some people still believe the earth is flat.
Yeah and then people did math and proved it wrong, just like the math proves the idea that illegals are especially dangerous to be wrong. quote:That’s not true. Your information does not address violent crime. You are conflating all felonies with violent crime; that’s your biggest error here.
Well it’s just that we have
You’ve lost.
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