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re: If both political parties are on the side of Labor, what does this mean for capitalism?

Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:07 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40042 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:07 am to
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The fact is, Vivek was right. We have a culture problem. And it pisses me off. We used to be a country that would put in 70 plus hours a week to get the job done. The focus was on improving the country for future generations.




Point to statistics showing that American companies are falling behind in productivity compared to era's past.


Facts. Not your feelings from you secluded farm that was bought and paid for from your wife's inheritance.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:07 am to
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Pure capitalism is not synonymous with right wing.


Yes it is. Its not synonymous with conservatism though.

There are right wing ancaps.

Used to be a lot of them on this board. They changed teams.

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Anarcho-capitalism (colloquially: ancap or an-cap) is a political philosophy and economic theory according to which all government institutions can and should be replaced by private ones. Anarcho-capitalists hold that society tends to contractually self-regulate and civilize through the voluntary exchange of goods
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42743 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:07 am to
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I'll bet you chose to work for a massive corporation for the money and the prestige, but when you found out that it can come with mass layoffs you suddenly want protection.


I work in Telecom brother we have layoffs every year, you live in the dark, I was born in it.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6268 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:08 am to
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I'm making it clear that you people are sliding toward Democratic Socialism.


But we are not.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:08 am to
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I work in Telecom brother we have layoffs every year,


And you want protections.

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:08 am to
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We all have to remember that Rog weirdly admitted that being a tour guide for a few months a year burned him out and he had to quit


Much like the OP, The Shrub isn't directly impacted by the imported workers he advocates for.


And they do not have the cognitive ability to see the indirect impact.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 11:13 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:09 am to
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But we are not.


100% are.

Youre wanting the people to control corporations, correct?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40042 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:09 am to
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Youre wanting the people to control corporations, correct?



The people do control corporations. Is this serious? lol.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:11 am to
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The people do control corporations. Is this serious? lol.


In what way?

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:11 am to
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But data suggests American Worker productivity is at an all time high, while wages are barely growing.


Wages and productivity ran pretty even until the early 70s. Productivity has continued to skyrocket while wages have lagged far behind.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:11 am to
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I'm making it clear that you people are sliding toward Democratic Socialism.


Only in your own mind, which leads back to my previous statement:

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You're making yourself look like a complete idiot in this thread.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42743 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:11 am to
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And you want protections.


For all Americans, yes. Our forefathers made this country, our grandfathers went and died for it. H1-B's have clearly been shown to not be what they were created for, so end them and figure out another way to get EXCEPTIONAL, keyword people into the country.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:12 am to
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Only in your own mind, which leads back to my previous statement:


Should the public have more control over corporations?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40042 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:12 am to
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In what way?



In what way do they NOT?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:13 am to
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when you found out that it can come with mass layoffs you suddenly want protection.


You're imagining the arguments of others to bolster your point.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
82981 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:13 am to
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In what way do they NOT?



Dude corporations are these Pink Floyd monolithic machines!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:14 am to
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In what way do they NOT?


Only through consumption.

Bernie Sanders has your back though.
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Double union membership within Bernie’s first term.
Establish federal protections against the firing of workers for any reason other than “just cause.”
Provide unions the ability to organize through a majority sign up process and enact “first contract” provisions to ensure companies cannot prevent a union from forming by denying a first contract.
Deny federal contracts to companies that pay poverty wages, outsource jobs overseas, engage in union busting, deny good benefits, and pay CEOs outrageous compensation packages
Eliminate “Right to Work for Less” laws and guarantees the right to unionize for workers historically excluded from labor protections, like farm workers and domestic workers.


Who knew we had so many white collar union brains in here?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62147 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:15 am to
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Should the public have more control over corporations?


Government control over immigration is not public control over corporations.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:15 am to
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Much like the OP, The Shrub isn't directly impacted by the imported workers they advocate for.

And they do not have the cognitive ability to see the indirect impact.



What’s particularly amusing for me is how our beloved OP pretends to advocate for outright open borders ancap society, yet still clings to ideas of racism being a non starter.

It’s really mind blowing. The entire house of cards propping up the subjugation of racism is government regulation.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 11:16 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293202 posts
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:15 am to
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You're imagining the arguments of others to bolster your point.


Nah, I have yall down pat.

You folks have become Bernies little minions and dont realize it.
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