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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:43 pm to
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I can not understand this line of attack on Biden

His actions in Ukraine should have dealt him a deathblow but instead, it seemed to bolster his standing within his deranged party.

It's really difficult to understand what kind oft bad behavior resonates with progs.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:43 pm to
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SDV, you were really unhappy about the grab them by the pussy comment, right?
Unless you are a micro nearly every hetero guy has said something akin to it.

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I wish like hell the Democrats had picked anybody else, but I can not understand this line of attack on Biden from the right
Because #metoo and she seems credible unlike most Dem "accusers".
Posted by Microtiger
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:44 pm to
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That's pathetic


Are you planning to vote for Trump? Then that's equally pathetic.

I agree, the pussy grabbing isn't a big deal. But I'm not here clutching my pearls over morality as a dealbreaker.

You did not respond to the multiple allegations against Trump, some of which are probably bullshite, some of which have real legitimacy to them. What about the infidelity? I guarantee if evidence came out that Biden had cheated on his wife 20 years ago, you'd be hammering it home in every thread. You are a hypocrite.
Posted by Microtiger
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Unless you are a micro nearly every hetero guy has said something akin to it.


I wasn't offended by it. I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of acting like he's taking some kind of moral high ground. It's ridiculous.

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Because #metoo and she seems credible unlike most Dem "accusers".


Yeah, I agree, and I agree she seems more credible than Ford. Most of Trump's accusers seem credible too. Funny how neither of you have responded to that one at all.

So, do you condone what Trump has done? If not, explain the double standards.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:50 pm to
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I'm trying to point out the hypocrisy of acting like he's taking some kind of moral high ground.
Yeah huge win Micro.

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So, do you condone what Trump has done? If not, explain the double standards.
Naw like Bill Clinton IDGAF.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:51 pm to
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Who will the Democrats nominate?

does it matter?
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:55 pm to
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None of the seventeen dems who sought the nomination could inspire any rationale voter to pull a lever for them.

but that one independent...
Posted by Microtiger
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:55 pm to
To be fair, not all of Trump's 25 allegations hold as much water as Biden's. By my eye, only five do.

But until ya'll give me some kind of reason ya'll are okay with this and so up in arms about Biden, I don't respect a single thing ya'll contribute to this discussion.

Allegations as bad or worse than Biden's

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In June 2019, columnist E. Jean Carroll accused President Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her by forcing his penis inside her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in the mid-1990s.


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Jessica Leeds told the New York Times in October 2016 that Trump reached his hand up her skirt and groped her while seated next to her on a flight in the late 1970s. "He was like an octopus. His hands were everywhere," Leeds said, adding that she fled to the back of the plane.


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In a 1990 divorce deposition, Trump's first wife and the mother of his three eldest children Ivana Trump accused her then-husband of raping her in a fit of rage in 1989.


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Kristin Anderson, a photographer and former model said Trump reached under her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear at a New York City nightclub in the early 1990s.


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Jill Harth, a businesswoman who worked with Trump in the 1990s, told the Guardian in July 2016 that Trump pushed her against a wall, put his hand up her skirt, and tried to kiss her at a dinner at his Mar-a-Lago resort in the early 1990s.


Allegations less bad than Biden's but still pretty bad

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Temple Taggart, a former Miss Utah, told the New York Times in May 2016 that Trump "kissed me directly on the lips" when she met him at the Miss USA pageant in 1997. Trump did the same thing when Taggart met with him again at Trump Tower in Manhattan after he offered to aid her modeling career, she said.


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Cathy Heller told the Guardian in October 2016 that she was attending a Mother's Day brunch with her husband, children, and in-laws at Mar-a-Lago in the 1990s when Trump approached her table, introduced himself to her, and forcibly kissed her.


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Karena Virginia, a yoga instructor and life coach, told the Washington Post in October 2016 that Trump groped her as she waited for her car outside the US Open in New York in 1998.


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Two Miss USA contestants said Trump walked into their dressing rooms, where female participants were changing, and ogled them.


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Melinda "Mindy" McGillivray told the Palm Beach Post in October 2016 that Trump grabbed her buttocks while they were backstage during a Ray Charles concert at Mar-a-Lago in 2003.


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While a pregnant Melania was changing clothes for a photoshoot, Trump offered to show Stoynoff a "tremendous" room at the resort. "We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat," Stoynoff wrote.


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Rachel Crooks told the New York Times in October 2016 that Trump kissed her on the mouth without her consent when she introduced herself him in 2005 Trump Tower in Manhattan, where she worked as a receptionist.


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Ninni Laaksonen, a model and former Miss Finland, told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat in October 2016 that Trump groped her backstage at the "Late Show with David Letterman" in 2006.


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At an October 2016 press conference, adult-film actress Jessica Drake accused Trump of grabbing and kissing her without permission and offering her money to accept a private invitation to his penthouse hotel room in Lake Tahoe in 2006.


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Summer Zervos, a former contestant on NBC's "The Apprentice," told reporters at an October 2016 press conference that Trump assaulted her during a 2007 meeting at The Beverly Hills Hotel. "He then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast," she said. "I pulled back and walked to another part of the room. He then walked up, grabbed my hand, and pulled me into the bedroom. I walked out."


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Alva Johnson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said that Trump kissed her without her consent at a Tampa, Florida rally on August 24, 2016.


Much, much smaller issues than Biden's, on the level of "grab them by the pussy"

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Lisa Boyne, a health food business entrepreneur, told HuffPost in October 2016 that she attended a 1996 dinner with Trump and modeling agent John Casablancas during which several other women in attendance were forced to walk across a table in order to leave. As the women walked on the table, Boyne says that Trump looked up their skirts and commented on their underwear and genitals. Trump allegedly asked Boyne for her opinion on which of the women he should sleep with.


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Two Miss Teen USA contestants told BuzzFeed News in October 2016 that Trump walked in on them while they were changing in their dressing rooms.


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Two women have said Trump kissed them without their consent, but that they weren't offended by it at the time.


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Samantha Holvey, a contestant in the 2006 Miss USA pageant, which Trump owned, told CNN in October 2016 that Trump personally inspected each of the pageant contestants individually. "He would step in front of each girl and look you over from head to toe like we were just meat, we were just sexual objects, that we were not people," Holvey said, adding that it made her feel "the dirtiest I felt in my entire life."


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Cassandra Searles, who represented the state of Washington at the 2013 Miss USA pageant, wrote in a June 2016 Facebook post that Trump treated herself and other female Miss USA contestants "like cattle" and had them "lined up so he could get a closer look at his property."
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:55 pm to
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(So, do you condone what Trump has done? If not, explain the double standards.) Naw like Bill Clinton IDGAF.


Cool, so you're not holding this against Biden then, right?

Wait - is the argument that Biden should step down because liberals care about this kind of thing and conservatives don't? That's a wild angle. But it's still wild to ask me why I'm voting for Biden over Trump if the reason is THIS, lol.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:56 pm to
Man Micro aggression with the big win!

Now do the #metoo bitches flipping over and blowing Biden.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:57 pm to
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Cool, so you're not holding this against Biden then, right?
Against Mister #metoo? Yeah frick yes I am.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:57 pm to
Joe is going to break a barrier without even being a minority.

First President voted in with dementia.

Glorious win progs.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:57 pm to
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is the argument that Biden should step down because liberals care about this kind of thing and conservatives don't?
Sure like Lizzie Warren GAF?
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:58 pm to
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Against Mister #metoo? Yeah frick yes I am.


I'm starting to get it - it's because he's on the side of the #MeToo movement, so it makes him a hypocrite to have done this in the past.

Yeah, sure, I agree with that. It's another reason why he sucks.

But don't act like this adds much to the Biden vs. Trump debate.
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:59 pm to
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First President voted in with dementia.


Yeah, he looks and talks like shite and it's embarrassing. Again, a weird thing to pitch a tent on considering Trump's age and rhetoric.
Posted by Jay Quest
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:59 pm to
The Democrats have no one waiting in the wings. They will ride across the open field with George Armstrong Biden leading the charge.

We know how it ends.

It's next to impossible for me to understand the mental gymnastics required to vote for such a useless man like Joe Biden.

Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Sure like Lizzie Warren GAF?


Damn every single argument is circular here it's a wild ride man grab a surfboard
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:00 pm to
Agreed - it seems pretty much inevitable Trump will beat him in the general. I don't know WTF the DNC is thinking, unless they actually want to lose to keep feeding off of pure anti-Republican outrage.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:01 pm to
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it's because he's on the side of the #MeToo movement
No Dementia Joe was on the side of political bullshite, now like all of the Dems she isn't to be believed. He hung his name to it for scoring capital and now gets to pay the price.

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But don't act like this adds much to the Biden vs. Trump debate.
I don't.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:02 pm to
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Damn every single argument is circular here it's a wild ride man grab a surfboard
How circular is it, if Warren were the nominee you would vote for her.
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