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re: If 1/6 was an “insurrection”, why wasn’t the 2011 storming of Madison WI by union goons?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:02 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:02 pm to boosiebadazz
I’m sorry you had your arse handed to you here today. Maybe you can find a history book that predates the year 2000 and learn something.
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Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:03 pm to boosiebadazz
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Since we’re talking nuance, let’s talk federal officers charged with protecting federal VIPs. It’s a different RoE.
If me and 300 of my best friends breach a perimeter at an airport to charge the President, I don’t have problem with the secret service during live rounds to sober us up and protect the VIP.
So in terms of the Capitol situation itself, even though the federal VIP protectees be not even anywhere within sight of said breach, essentially just start shooting as they come through the door because "VIPs" are somewhere in the building?
And of course a scenario wherein the President's security perimeter has been breached and bogeys charging him.....totally different scenario. That's a pretty seriously nuanced situation.
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:04 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Link me to declaration by the executive or the judiciary that it was an insurrection 
Or is this just conjecture and argument from randoms on the internet?
Or is this just conjecture and argument from randoms on the internet?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:05 pm to thebigmuffaletta
my favorite chess-playing pigeon 
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:07 pm to boosiebadazz
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That + $1.
You must have been running fast with all those coffees
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:07 pm to boosiebadazz
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Link me to declaration by the executive or the judiciary that it was an insurrection
Who was in control of WH at the time?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:07 pm to boosiebadazz
So let’s get this straight, you’re arguing January 6 was an insurrection, even though Trump didn’t declare it as such, but a lack of a declaration of insurrection proves last summer’s riots don’t meet the standard of an insurrection?
You are a total fricking idiot
You are a total fricking idiot
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:09 pm to davyjones
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So in terms of the Capitol situation itself, even though the federal VIP protectees be not even anywhere within sight of said breach, essentially just start shooting as they come through the door because "VIPs" are somewhere in the building?
You and I don’t know where they were relative to Ashley Babbitt. We do know Members were in chambers. Line of succession VIPs were actively being evacuated but could not be totally accounted for. There were phone calls from McCarthy to Meadows and many others.
Maybe a bipartisan commission could get to the bottom of all of it? Create a historical record for posterity sake.
This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Them baws know how to incite insurrection.
union goons
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:11 pm to geauxbrown
In the summer of 2020? Donald Trump was President.
Are you suggesting GEOTUS Trump was derelict in his duty in not declaring and responding to an active insurrection on our shores?
Are you suggesting GEOTUS Trump was derelict in his duty in not declaring and responding to an active insurrection on our shores?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:15 pm to boosiebadazz
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Maybe a bipartisan commission could get to the bottom of all of it?
No bipartisan anything nullifies "imminent risk of death or great bodily harm". I would feel safe in assuming that that standard is expanded a bit when it comes to the tip top of the government, the top guy and those in immediate and direct line of Presidential succession. But anyone and everyone else.....imminent risk. Not maybe risk or possible upcoming risk, imminent risk.
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:16 pm to davyjones
Like Mike Pence being whisked away by the Secret Service?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:21 pm to boosiebadazz
The SS whisked Trump to the bunker due to a leftist hoard outside the WH fence. Was he in imminent danger?
Why isn't that being called an insurrection? There were a lot more injuries to the police and a lot more damage inflicted.
We all know why.
Why isn't that being called an insurrection? There were a lot more injuries to the police and a lot more damage inflicted.
We all know why.
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:21 pm to boosiebadazz
Well sure, he was whisked away, meaning he was not concurrently at imminent risk of yadda yadda. Thus no one need be taken down to avert imminent action to VP.
Apparently we're far from same page on the definition of imminent. I submit it means "immediate" and/or "unavoidable" and/or "certain to occur".
Apparently we're far from same page on the definition of imminent. I submit it means "immediate" and/or "unavoidable" and/or "certain to occur".
This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:22 pm to BuckyCheese
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outside the WH fence
Breach the fence and frick around and find out.
Just like Ashley Babbitt
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:24 pm to davyjones
I suggest imminent is a contextual idea relying on conditions in the ground.
But I’m also for investigating how and why Ashley Babbitt and the other rioters were there and whether her death was justified.
Are you?
But I’m also for investigating how and why Ashley Babbitt and the other rioters were there and whether her death was justified.
Are you?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:25 pm to boosiebadazz
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Breach the fence and frick around and find out.
People have.
They didn't get shot.
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:26 pm to BuckyCheese
An individual has and has been apprehended. They’re lucky they weren’t shot.
Let 400 ANTIFA goons climb the fence outside the WH and see what happens. Then let’s see you justify why they shouldn’t have been shot
Let 400 ANTIFA goons climb the fence outside the WH and see what happens. Then let’s see you justify why they shouldn’t have been shot
This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:33 pm to boosiebadazz
Well cool then, we've narrowed it down to an impasse regarding the applicable definition of "imminent". That's progress in and of itself.
As far as this is concerned, I said the below in another thread wherein we were having discourse:
"I certainly won't disagree with you that an investigation as to potential failures on the part of Capital Police security measures and other officials who may've dropped the ball.....I don't see how that would be unreasonable."
You not bothering to read my responses to you, dawg? I kid.
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But I’m also for investigating how and why Ashley Babbitt and the other rioters were there and whether her death was justified.
Are you?
As far as this is concerned, I said the below in another thread wherein we were having discourse:
"I certainly won't disagree with you that an investigation as to potential failures on the part of Capital Police security measures and other officials who may've dropped the ball.....I don't see how that would be unreasonable."
You not bothering to read my responses to you, dawg?
I kid. Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:40 pm to davyjones
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You not bothering to read my responses to you, dawg? I kid
sorry. Set a few hooks before I left work, checked out for a few hours of family time, and came back to an onslaught of 
Been trying to keep up.
This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 11:44 pm
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