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re: I wonder how the principled Rep. who sat out Georgia’s vote to make a point are feeling
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:57 pm to tgdawg68
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:57 pm to tgdawg68
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but if elections are rigged, or are otherwise irrelevant, then widespread cessation of participation is a political act, and a form of resistance, which decreases the legitimacy of the process.
No it will be perceived as acceptance.
Wrong. It's perceived as a lack of faith in the legitimacy of that process. Lines of people standing around casting their vote for the least worst option looks like passive acceptance that nothing better can ever happen.
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that could never be as powerful as voting for the least worst of two losing options
You must be about twelve years old. The world has never been or never will be like your black or white, one or zero fantasy land, especially politics. Your attitude is a pure cop out.
No, actually I'm a career Green Beret with many years of study in dissident, insurgent, and counterinsurgency tactics.
Funny that you mention "black and white" here, because this dichotomy of politics is what you advocate, not me. I advocate for a diversity of tactics.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:01 pm to Taxing Authority
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Too stupid to argue with.
So brainlet, if you are offered two choices, both losers, and you pick one, what happens?
This is too stupid to argue about indeed.
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Nope. Democrats will just take the margin of victory and take it as a mandate.
Our politics isn't about Democrats! Good lord man, THINK.
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Let's say Alabama goes undefeated until the last game of the year. Auburn says "they cheated, so we're going to forfeit". You're saying Nick Saban would turn around and say "yeah, you guys got us. We totally did it. We're not going to play in the national championship".
Only the mind of a real political wizard could form this analogy. Hat's off.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 4:44 pm to ChuckO1975
You act like the two evils are the same level of evil. That’s naive. More realistically would be vote for one and you get maybe 50% of the things you like or vote for the other and get nothing that you like or your option, don’t vote and let others decide for you.
Well they did and we all got screwed. You think the dems care anything about legitimacy? Don’t vote. They don’t care. In fact, they would prefer that you don’t.
You may have studied insurgency but any repub that didn’t vote just got played.
If you don’t like your choices you work to make the change during the primary not during the election.
Well they did and we all got screwed. You think the dems care anything about legitimacy? Don’t vote. They don’t care. In fact, they would prefer that you don’t.
You may have studied insurgency but any repub that didn’t vote just got played.
If you don’t like your choices you work to make the change during the primary not during the election.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:05 pm to GrizzlyAlloy
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Oh really? What has voting republican gotten you over the last 20 years?
I have a better question for you. What would happen if Dems ran the entire country the last 20 years? We see what they are doing now.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:13 pm to 93and99
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I have asked this question at least a dozen times since the election and none of you establishment types will answer. How long are we supposed to keep voting for these people when they do nothing for us?
Establishment type? I’m by no means an establishment type. But let’s look at the facts in Georgia. You had Warnock and Ossoff against Loefler and Perdue. For that election, the was your only choices. So don’t bring in a strawman argument to pretend we had other options in this case. You had to two Republicans or the two communist.
In the general election, when you are choosing between multiple Republicans, that’s when you make your principled stance. Not when it’s a Rep. establishment type running against a communist Dem. Good grief!
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Maybe by 2026 establishment Republicans will start doing what their voters want.
Here is what you mustn’t understand. By forfeiting the Georgia elections, the Dems will make it where Republicans never have power again. So it won’t matter who the handful of Republicans we elect going forward!
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:50 pm to FlexDawg
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What you can’t seem to understand is that elections are rigged now and there’s not a damn thing anyone is going to do about it.
What you can’t seem to understand is, there will be no need for elections in the future at all. Now that the Dems have all the power, they will end the filibuster, pack the Supreme Court, pass the voting bill making it even easier to cheat, and add a few states to increase their seats in the Senate.
There was no excuse not to vote in Georgia and give the Dems all this power. None!!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:54 pm to ChuckO1975
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I get that this is a little beyond your level of comprehension, but if elections are rigged, or are otherwise irrelevant, then widespread cessation of participation is a political act, and a form of resistance, which decreases the legitimacy of the process
You have a level of condescension rarely seen on this board, and that’s saying a lot. You should learn some humility. If you think you’ll ever convince anyone to see you side with that attitude, you are just wasting your time.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:58 pm to wt9
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This is it. Revelator can say what he wants but the Georgia Republican leaders are to blame. I hope they all lose in 2022. If they do, it will be the Republican party's fault for running these morons.
Hey look, I don’t disagree that the two Republican candidates weren’t the best, but you didn’t have establishment Republicans going up against Conservative ones, you had two establishment Republicans going up against two communist Democrats. That was your choice. All the other excuses is simply window dressing.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:01 pm to tgdawg68
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You must be about twelve years old. The world has never been or never will be like your black or white, one or zero fantasy land, especially politics. Your attitude is a pure cop out.
I'd suggest that his attitude is not a cop out, but rather pure stupidity of the highest order. I'm sure the Dems would at least give him a participation award in the useful idiots sweepstakes.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:06 pm to Revelator
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had two establishment Republicans going up against two communist Democrats.
how scary. quote us ANYTHING either of them said or ever wrote that is actually communism.
maybe you are an ill informed person of goodwill. go ahead.
look up communism. then trot out some quotes.
otherwise you just seem like a moron.
I realize its popular on td to call Democrats communists because you all want to win at all costs but you get to be the example.
consider yourself called out.
show us.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:09 pm to Revelator
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namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.
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According to this analysis, revolution would put the working class in power and in turn establish social ownership of the means of production which is the primary element in the transformation of society
wiki
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:12 pm to CelticDog
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I realize its popular on td to call Democrats communists because you all want to win at all costs but you get to be the example. consider yourself called out.
The only reason I call Dems communists, is because they behave like communists. You could interchange; socialist or progressive, but the end results will be the same.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:13 pm to Revelator
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could interchange; socialist or progressive, but the end results will be the same.
I doubt it.
communist is state run means of production.
no candidates in georgia ran on that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:15 pm to Taxing Authority
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I wonder why democrats don’t try to lose elections?
I wonder why Democrat politicians do things for the people who vote for them and Republican politicians don't?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:17 pm to tgdawg68
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Yep, might as well take the ball and go home or my favorite: 'Let's burn it all down'.
You sound like John Boehner and that's not a good thing.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:17 pm to CelticDog
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show us.
Here is a list of 3 things Karl Marx hoped to achieve. Tell me how they differ from Democrat goals?
* Phase 1: A revolution must take place in order to overthrow the existing government. Marx emphasized the need for total destruction of the existing system in order to move on to Phase 2.
* Phase 2: A dictator or elite leader (or leaders) must gain absolute control over the proletariat. During this phase, the new government exerts absolute control over the common citizen's personal choices -- including his or her education, religion, employment and even marriage. Collectivization of property and wealth must also take place.
* Phase 3: Achievement of utopia. This phase has never been attained because it requires that all non-communists be destroyed in order for the Communist Party to achieve supreme equality. In a Marxist utopia, everyone would happily share property and wealth, free from the restrictions that class-based systems require. The government would control all means of production so that the one-class system would remain constant, with no possibility of any middle class citizens rising back to the top.
But just like Marx, the Dems will never achieve phase 3, but they don’t really care. The first two phases is what they really want.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:18 pm to CelticDog
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I doubt it
Read on Comrade
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:19 pm to 93and99
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I wonder why Democrat politicians do things for the people who vote for them and Republican politicians don't?
So you want Republicans to give out free stuff like the Dems?!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:33 pm to Revelator
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So you want Republicans to give out free stuff like the Dems?!
No, Democrats are losers, begging for handouts and supporting abortion is all they are good at.
Why did Reagan grant amnesty to 6 million illegals and turn California and New Mexico into blue states?
Why didn't either Bush do anything about the border?
Why didn't W Bush do anything about NAFTA?
REAL conservatives want a secure border and fair trade deals.
Again I ask, what have Republicans done for their voters other than try to block Democrats?
Democrats got Obamacare for their voters, they also win every standoff with Republicans in a shutdown the government situation. The pussy arse Republicans always cave.
Paul Ryan would not give Trump money for the wall or bring up an infrastructure bill.
I gave up on the establishment in 2018, the last election had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:37 pm to Revelator
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you want Republicans to give out free stuff like the Dems?!
how about the design of healthcare so people have access?
the traditional system is for profit.
free stuff
how about a good education?
currently school districts fund via real estate tax.
do you see how rich school district doesnt need free stuff?
9% of New Jersey residents are millionaires.
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