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re: I wonder how the principled Rep. who sat out Georgia’s vote to make a point are feeling
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:39 pm to 93and99
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:39 pm to 93and99
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REAL conservatives want a secure border and fair trade deals.
If you paid attention during the Trump years, and all the opposition he received from his own party, it’s clear there aren’t many conservatives in Washington, and that’s not going change. Heck, Trump wasn’t conservative in many ways. But If we simply choose not to fight until we get every candidate we want, that will accomplish nothing.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:42 pm
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:41 pm to CelticDog
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how about a good education?
It’s your party that’s against school choice and supports a useless teachers union and a failed public school system.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:43 pm to Revelator
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If you paid attention during the Trump years, and all the opposition he received from his own party, it’s clear there aren’t many conservatives in Washington, and that’s not going change. Heck, Trump wasn’t conservative in many ways. But If we simply choose not to fight until we get every candidate we want, that will accomplish nothing.
It will accomplish a lot if you want to see the world burn.
I don't have heirs. I don't give a shite.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:45 pm to gthog61
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It will accomplish a lot if you want to see the world burn. I don't have heirs. I don't give a shite
I wished you had posted this from the start. Then I could have dismissed you right off.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:54 pm to Revelator
Otto is a commie fool. Probably on gov assistance.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:55 pm to shreveport_gator
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You act like the two evils are the same level of evil.
I'm sorry, that's just not true. Democrats are much worse, in a much more direct way. Republicans are also bad, because they absorb and redirect right wing energy and resources towards a strategy that ends in the same place, but maybe slower. We NEED this energy directed at real political solutions and tactics, not bullshite GOP talking points that are designed to make us believe our reps are working for us, when they clearly are not.
The right cannot win as long as the Republican machine survives. We cannot look at old electoral strategies anymore. Our share of the population is going to be a minority share in a matter of years. This isn't the 1980s anymore, we have to take a broad approach to political strategy.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:58 pm to Revelator
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If you paid attention during the Trump years, and all the opposition he received from his own party, it’s clear there aren’t many conservatives in Washington, and that’s not going change. Heck, Trump wasn’t conservative in many ways. But If we simply choose not to fight until we get every candidate we want, that will accomplish nothing.
This is totally and absolutely true.
We are fighting the system now, which includes the Republican party, which is absolutely hostile to us.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:02 pm to Revelator
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You have a level of condescension rarely seen on this board, and that’s saying a lot. You should learn some humility. If you think you’ll ever convince anyone to see you side with that attitude, you are just wasting your time.
I'm not trying to convince him. I'm trying to destroy feckless political strategies. There can be no tolerance for this rabid centrist mentality.
But if you look at the course of these conversations, I'm rarely engaged with an actual discussion about my ideas. People either broadly agree, or they get very upset by them. That's just part of the territory.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:17 pm to ChuckO1975
No one is going to change your mind so I hope you enjoy what the dems are doing. You helped make it happen. And guess what? Elections aren’t going to be any more secure than the last election.
There is simply no way that not voting helps your cause. Sometimes you have to vote against something instead of for something. Your not causing congressmen to see your point of view by not voting.
There is simply no way that not voting helps your cause. Sometimes you have to vote against something instead of for something. Your not causing congressmen to see your point of view by not voting.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:27 pm to shreveport_gator
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There is simply no way that not voting helps your cause. Sometimes you have to vote against something instead of for something. Your not causing congressmen to see your point of view by not voting.
I was thinking of an illustration last night to describe the act of not voting to achieve a goal and cane up with this.
Someone calls you up and says” you’ve won an all expense paid trip to one of either two places, Switzerland or Cabo. Your airfare, meals, hotel room, rental car are all paid and we give you $5,000 spending money as well.
The guy being offered the trip says,” I want to go to Rome instead.”
Caller,” sorry but your only two options
are Switzerland or Cabo. Which do you prefer?”
Guy being offered trip,” if I can’t go to Rome, I’m not going anywhere” and hangs up.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:47 pm to Revelator
I disagree. I'm in Georgia. I work in a heavy industrial area. These are the people that took a half day off without pay to go vote for Trump. Guys that may not have ever voted before. They were pissed that the SOS kept saying most secure election, no evidence of voter fraud. These guys thought there was. All the SOS, Gov, and legislature had to do is a major production that they were looking into and they didn't. Just do your best Lindsey Graham impersonation.
These guys were not going to give up $150 bucks to go vote the second time.
I voted in run off, but certainly respect the decision of those that did not.
These guys were not going to give up $150 bucks to go vote the second time.
I voted in run off, but certainly respect the decision of those that did not.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:56 pm to wt9
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These guys were not going to give up $150 bucks to go vote the second time.
You are telling me they couldn’t have voted after work or absentee?
I’m not buying that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:09 pm to Revelator
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You are telling me they couldn’t have voted after work or absentee?
I’m not buying that.
I'm just telling you what I heard. Put yourself in their shoes. Never voted until Trump came along. Always believed that it didnt matter who was president they were all crooks. At least in my area, work was going like gang busters. They understood that and credited Trump.
Im guessing you have a White Collar job and dont understand there is not much that gets in the way of beer after work. Voting doesnt make it this high on the list.
If you dont buy it, you are just like the GOPe that didn't understand trump's popularity.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:18 pm to wt9
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Im guessing you have a White Collar job
Nope. I’m an operator at a paper mill.
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understand there is not much that gets in the way of beer after work.
Now you are contradicting yourself. First you say they didn’t vote because it would cost them too much money to miss work.
Now you are saying they prefer a beer after work instead of voting.
Which is it?
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:20 pm to Jjdoc
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Had the Senate candidates not turned their backs on the voters in Ga, they would have turned out.
There is a problem when you run from a current issue.
Yup. Not sure what you ppl dont understand about this
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:22 pm to SDVTiger
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Yup. Not sure what you ppl dont understand about this
So the Georgia voters got their feelings hurt, and not voting was a way to show their displeasure?
Sometimes I want pralines and cream ice cream, but all they have is vanilla or chocolate and I have to take one of those.
Like I’ve already said, there are lots of ways to show displeasure that don’t result in giving up an election.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:46 pm to Revelator
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I’m an operator at a paper mill
Perfect, you should understand. You think those guys pulling cable or hanging pipe really care about voting in a run off, especially when they think their guy got screwed.
I didn't contradict myself. They weren't going to take afternoon off to vote and they weren't going to miss beer 30. That's two different times. If the times were on top of each other, then it would be contradicting, but they are not.
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