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re: I want to hear from the Agnostics. What will the secular world eventually evolve into?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:25 am to RiverCityTider
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:25 am to RiverCityTider
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To me, as a Christian, it seems that secularism is unmasking the true diabolical instincts of man.
These are culture related issues. If you really want to know how culture degrades you can look into that but it will lead to some politically incorrect answers. You can consult the Bible if you want and it will lead you to a group of people Jesus refers to as Satan worshippers. These people get kicked out of countries a lot and it is often for ritual sacrifices to moloch or the like. They are great tempters of degeneracy and studies show that most fall to temptation in the face of peer pressure.
On a practical level it is helpful to look to Nietzsche and Jung for what is going on psychologically. Academy of Ideas is a great resource to use to get the overview of their ideas while not going too deep. When you find the parts that you connect with you can go deep dive into their specific works.
https://www.youtube.com/user/academyofideas
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Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:25 am to Azkiger
quote:Which explains why something like the "golden rule" has evolved in almost every society, with recorded examples written as much as 2000 years BCE.
people do have to live in a society that those moral systems create.
Moral systems that lead to a dysfunctional society won't be appealing in the long run
It is utilitarian. Most moral codes ARE.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:31 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:26 am to UGATiger26
quote:But religion, especially Christianity, is supposedly replied upon to prevent these things. If religion is merely a way to justify these atrocities, what’s the point?
And we have plenty of other examples that tell us that humans don't need religion to lead to violence, death, and enslavement.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:28 am to jcaz
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To me, as a Christian, it seems that secularism is unmasking the true diabolical instincts of man
Why don't you want to marry her?
Just curious, any selfishness at play?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:29 am to Padme
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How do you know your opinion is correct on those two judgment calls? Did Hollywood tell you you were? CNN? Or did your emotions somehow let you know slavery isn’t the correct order? If the strongest survive and rule, then slavery would be a natural fruit. In fact you are likely more a slave to those running our Government than you realize.
This is the problem. You are trying to hold up a book as a perfect word of God without any evidence that it is such. And now you’re using it to justify owning another human being.
I don’t need any book or magic man in the sky to tell me slavery is wrong, and neither do you.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:33 am to Hammer of Rod
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I don’t need any book or magic man in the sky to tell me slavery is wrong, and neither do you.
Why do you single out slavery as a special sin worse than all others?
Why does it need its own category?
Is it worse than child rape?
Is it worse than murder?
Is it worse than ungodly wars that kills millions?
Is it worse than spreading biological weapons on citizens?
Is it worse than jailing an innocent man?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:33 am to Hammer of Rod
quote:Using Biblical passages to support the notion that the Bible is the Word of God is the LOGICAL equivalent of using Mein Kampf as a means of justifying Nazism.
This is the problem. You are trying to hold up a book as a perfect word of God without any evidence that it is such.
NO, before some scholar claims I am saying that it is the MORAL equivalent, I am not.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:36 am to AggieHank86
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Using Biblical passages to support the notion that the Bible is the Word of God is the LOGICAL equivalent of using Mein Kampf as a means of justifying Nazism.
What is a Christian supposed to use as his instruction guide if the Bible itself claims to be inspired, but you claim it is not?
Would you prefer we simply claim to have visions, dreams and prophecies?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:38 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:36 am to Azkiger
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It's a bit like crap and ice cream. Even though taste is entirely subjective we don't have to worry about many people choosing crap over ice cream.
Indeed. But someone who likes ice cream certainly has no standing to call someone who prefers crap a POS.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:37 am to RiverCityTider
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me, as a Christian, it seems that secularism is unmasking the true diabolical instincts of man.
the main function of Christian membership in usa has been social conformity.
that was destroyed by bigoted preachers.
good people want nothing to do with saying Katrina was punishment for the bohemian culture of new orleans.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:38 am to Revelator
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I didn’t tap dance around anything. I explained it clearly and precisely. You are under the impression that somehow slavery is a sin in its own category and more morally reprehensible than any other.
Wrong
I’m under the impression that slavery is immoral.
Are you not?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:40 am to CelticDog
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good people want nothing to do with saying Katrina was punishment for the bohemian culture of new orleans.
Come on now. There are just as many or more leftist who claimed natural disasters were hoisted on states who voted for Trump!
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:41 am to Hammer of Rod
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I’m under the impression that slavery is immoral. Are you not?
Of course it is. But you seem to feel it has a unique sinfulness that deserves it’s own category. All sin leads to death.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:41 am to UGATiger26
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But someone who likes ice cream certainly has no standing to call someone who prefers crap a POS.
You are what you eat.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:43 am to au4you
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religion is merely a way to justify these atrocities...
and of course it was.
god is on our side.
go bears. winning player points up, as if God the Father is UP.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:44 am to SEC. 593
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The sphere of influence that Jude-Christianity philosophy had was a pretty small bubble, relative to the rest of the world, until the last millenia.
Oh. Just the last millennia. Thanks for quantifying that as a blip.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:46 am to Revelator
quote:I think you are misunderstanding OR ignoring the point.
What is a Christian supposed to use as his instruction guide if the Bible itself claims to be inspired, but you claim it is not?
Would you prefer we simply claim to have visions, dreams and prophecies?
I did not REMOTELY say that you should not use your religious text to guide your behavior.
I SAID that it is not logically sound to use the document itself as proof of its own accuracy, value, etcetera.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:48 am to Hammer of Rod
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How do you reconcile a God who ordered a genocide?
If a race horse broke its leg and the owner shot it, we would say he was putting the animal out of his misery.
A child could witness the shooting, and without proper understanding, think the act was cruel.
As humans , who don’t have the mind of God, we could view an act as barbaric and cruel, that was in fact, merciful.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:50 am to Revelator
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If course it is.
Then why are you defending it?
Why doesn’t your Bible say don’t own people instead of laying out the rules for owning people.
Let me be clear. I’m not, nor have I ever said or implied that slavery is unique or belongs in it’s own category.
Slavery is immoral, even you admit it.
Yet, here you are trying to justify it.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:51 am to AggieHank86
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I SAID that it is not logically sound to use the document itself as proof of its own accuracy, value, etcetera.
And I’m asking you, if I supplement my Christian theology with things like; personal experiences, visions, dreams, prophecies, etc, would that make my case more valid?
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