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re: "I refuse to be a slave to religion!"
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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But people crave structure because they don't trust themselves.
This is very true of humanity in general, it's a reason why Christianity is so appealing. "Just be a lump of clay and let the potter, with all of his supernatural credentials, tell you what's what."
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:12 am to Liberator
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By the way -- you can claim to read the Bible another hundred times but you still won't understand any of it by the 101st read.
Think about the Nicene Creed and why it exists. It’s because there were a boatload of conflicting ideas about christology and biblical interpretation in the early church, and the Romans mandated there be “one” orthodox Christianity. You have to acknowledge there’s more than one way to interpret the Bible, and that your way is not the only way (even if you believe yours is the only correct way.
It’s a shame that a “divinely inspired” “book” can leave so much open for interpretation. Maybe atheists are right, maybe you are right. Maybe it’s the Jehovah’s witnesses or the Mormons who interpret it correctly.
Grow up and acknowledge someone can read the Bible and not interpret it the same as you. Make your arguments for your beliefs rather than just calling someone’s interpretations wrong.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:13 am to Azkiger
quote:Welcome to the "other side" of trying to have a rational discussion with ... certain ... of our posters.
The person I responded to make the claim that the vast majority of scholars accepted the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.
I asked him to support his claim.
Do you have reading comprehension issues as well?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:13 am to El Segundo Guy
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Your fascination with an elitist monarchist is interesting.
And you sir are afflicted with 'can't argue the facts, attack the messenger' syndrone. Standard modus operandi used by you folks.
I still respect and honor the memory of our Founding Fathers even though you folks like to hang insulting accusations on them - including John Adams
Good Day!
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:13 am to Squirrelmeister
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It’s a shame that a “divinely inspired” “book” can leave so much open for interpretation.
This is probably the largest human fingerprint left on the Bible.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:16 am to Squirrelmeister
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It’s a shame that a “divinely inspired” “book” can leave so much open for interpretation.
I have little faith in men to write anything divinely inspired and keep it that way for a thousand plus years.
Even had an Assembly of God minister say once that the truth is contained in the bible, but the bible isn't all truth.
The message of the gospel is infinitely small, yet people keep adding to it.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
I think God/Nature reaches out to man in ways that make sense to him/her.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:19 am to Zarkinletch416
quote:What are you babbling about? Adams was considered to have monarchist tendencies even during his lifetime.quote:I still respect and honor the memory of our Founding Fathers even though you folks like to hang insulting accusations on them - including John Adams
Your fascination with an elitist monarchist is interesting.
I am not going to look for the citation for you, but I recall him saying/writing that the Constitution was worth trying, but that he suspected America would return to monarchy in a few generations at most. (paraphrasing, obviously)
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Spirituality is an individual thing. It can be random, I don't think you can grasp the concept.
*nodding head*
Close-minedness even often wraps itself in a self-delusional, self-denying veil (of open-ness and "tolerance.")
Some folks are just incapable of thinking outside the box, in the abstract, or paradigm OUTSIDE the physical realm; For them, personal "spirituality" is not real nor tangible. This includes rapping their head around a "God," "Satan," "Ghosts," Demons," "Angels," and anything that can't be physically touched or quantified. (which is why many Scientists are... Agnostics / Atheists.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:22 am to Azkiger
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Do you have reading comprehension issues as well?
I *can* chew gum and walk at the same time (OR handle two different tangents.)
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:23 am to AggieHank86
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Welcome to the "other side" of trying to have a rational discussion with ... certain ... of our posters.
I know, I typically don't nit pick if I think they're accidentally right.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Still, why were they murdering babies over this?
Are you familiar with events at the time?
Do you understand that during the time of Noah's Flood was corruption unimaginable today?
What if you learned part of the reasons for wholesale destruction was the near-total physical of life itself? (as in Chimeras, monsters, and human DNA?)
Would and should that factor into God's decisions and Justice?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:33 am to Liberator
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Spirituality is an individual thing. It can be random, I don't think you can grasp the concept.
*nodding head*
Close-minedness even often wraps itself in a self-delusional, self-denying veil (of open-ness and "tolerance.")
What's funny is Atheists always assume your spirituality has to accept all scripture. The Spiritual world is full of all kinds of stuff.
Even Orthodox Christians don't accept the "inerrant word of god."
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:35 am to Azkiger
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This is very true of humanity in general, it's a reason why Christianity is so appealing. "Just be a lump of clay and let the potter, with all of his supernatural credentials, tell you what's what."
A childs understanding of christianity.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
AggieHank86 to Azinger:
Well, well. More clever "recruitment."
Trying the ol', "The Enemy of my enemy is my friend" routine?
I have a sneaky suspicion that Azinger doesn't consider THAT "other side" the SAME side as you, Hank. He may not be a Believer *but* he's actually asking for clarifications.
Azinger IS actually engaging in a "rational discussion" from what can be seen here.
You OTOH... ?
Look, at times you can engage in a rational discussion. "God" or "Religion" threads however are... *cough*.... let's say, *juuust* a bit of a challenge for you, my friend.
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"Welcome to the "other side"...
Well, well. More clever "recruitment."
Trying the ol', "The Enemy of my enemy is my friend" routine?
I have a sneaky suspicion that Azinger doesn't consider THAT "other side" the SAME side as you, Hank. He may not be a Believer *but* he's actually asking for clarifications.
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trying to have a rational discussion with ... certain ... of our posters.
Azinger IS actually engaging in a "rational discussion" from what can be seen here.
You OTOH... ?
Look, at times you can engage in a rational discussion. "God" or "Religion" threads however are... *cough*.... let's say, *juuust* a bit of a challenge for you, my friend.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:38 am to RollTide1987
If you do not believe in God…..you better be right
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The thing is, true "religion" doesn't require defending. Its a benefit, and those who experience it have a peace that others will not.
If only we could all operate like this. I will never take a crap on someone’s faith when it is just something that makes them happier.
Will never forget my great grandma’s funeral. The pastor said people who do not have Jesus cannot be good people at heart. I know my granny would never have approved of that line and let the turd know my feelings about his hijacking of the eulogy.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Old Testament is legalistic, fear oriented bullshite.
Christ came to free you from that stuff
So we no longer have to abide by the Ten Commandments?
Woohoo! Adultery, here I come, baby!
And I guess thieving and murder are also back on the table.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What's funny is Atheists always assume your spirituality has to accept all scripture. The Spiritual world is full of all kinds of stuff.
Right...
"Spirituality" is a quandary, and swamp that they'd rather not deal with -- nor attempt to define. Especially since they can't grasp the concept (as you'd alluded to upthread.)
And yes I agree -- "Spirituality" needn't necessarily embrace all Scripture. But simply acknowledge its real, tangible existence.
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Even Orthodox Christians don't accept the "inerrant word of god."
They don't??
Had no idea that God could be wrong about anything. See? We learn something every day.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:42 am to Liberator
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Even Orthodox Christians don't accept the "inerrant word of god."
They don't??
Had no idea that God could be wrong about anything. See? We learn something every day.
its true.
I don't see how one could read Job and not see the hand of man in there.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:43 am to RollTide1987
I’ve never heard this said, ever.
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