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I Hate the Term Ally
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:11 pm
White ally. Black ally. LatinX ally.
These bother me. When I was growing up (80s and 90s), we were taught to love those from different backgrounds and make friends. I did. I had black friends. Mexican friends. I even lived out of this country and MADE FRIENDS. Friends I still talk to today. I didn't make allies. Allies are only there as long as you have something to give to them and they have something to give to you.
Have we become so obsessed with otherness that we can no longer just be friends? Have we created a bridge so far we cannot cross it. We have to meet somewhere in the middle and be allies only because we want to pass abreast of each other.
frick allies.
I want friends.
ETA: I have republican friends, neo liberal friends, classical liberal friends, jeffersonian conservative friends, progressive friends, etc.
These bother me. When I was growing up (80s and 90s), we were taught to love those from different backgrounds and make friends. I did. I had black friends. Mexican friends. I even lived out of this country and MADE FRIENDS. Friends I still talk to today. I didn't make allies. Allies are only there as long as you have something to give to them and they have something to give to you.
Have we become so obsessed with otherness that we can no longer just be friends? Have we created a bridge so far we cannot cross it. We have to meet somewhere in the middle and be allies only because we want to pass abreast of each other.
frick allies.
I want friends.
ETA: I have republican friends, neo liberal friends, classical liberal friends, jeffersonian conservative friends, progressive friends, etc.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 11:13 pm
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:12 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
An ally in need is a pest
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:13 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Blame progressives and their bullshite identity politics
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:16 pm to Bourre
I cannot. That would be marking them as other. If progressives started the ball rolling, conservatives gave it a hearty kick. We've retreated to tribal identities when we were so close to getting past it. We were so fricking close, but our politicians realized that a united proletariat might actually make them do something other than race or culture bait for votes.
We let them win.
We let them win.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:31 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
It's very condescending to those they are "allying" with.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Agreed.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:35 pm to Bourre
quote:Didn't Republicans invent identity politics with the Southern Strategy?
Blame progressives and their bull shite identity politics
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:38 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:38 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I've got a bat shite crazy progressive friend who does this and it's embarrassing as hell.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
LINK
Dan Carlin on Rogan discussed this a lot today. We cannot get past the opening gambit of a political conversation these days. We can't get to the good stuff, the high minded ideals. We cannot get past "I hate that motherfricker." "NAZI"
Dan Carlin on Rogan discussed this a lot today. We cannot get past the opening gambit of a political conversation these days. We can't get to the good stuff, the high minded ideals. We cannot get past "I hate that motherfricker." "NAZI"
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:55 pm to Bourre
i love how you guys pretend race was invented in 2008Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:59 pm to Tigerdev
I love how your racist arse completely ignores the opening premise.
But you do you.
But you do you.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:01 am to Tigerdev
The opening premise of the OP is fine by me. I was replying to a poster in the thread who blamed a political party for the divide in America. Pure ignorance.
This applies to you as well unless you simply didnt follow the thread...
@purpleandgoldmotown
This applies to you as well unless you simply didnt follow the thread...
@purpleandgoldmotown
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:04 am to PurpleandGold Motown
quote:
“Each one of us here today will at one time in our lives look upon a loved one who is in need and ask the same question: We are willing to help, Lord, but what, if anything, is needed? For it is true we can seldom help those closest to us. Either we don't know what part of ourselves to give or, more often than not, the part we have to give is not wanted. And so it is those we live with and should know who elude us. But we can still love them - we can love completely without complete understanding.”
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:06 am to Tigerdev
My bad. I too an ambien in anticipation of sleep, so I;m sleeping a bit.
Lo siento,
Lo siento,
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:08 am to PurpleandGold Motown
No issues. Sleep well
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:12 am to PurpleandGold Motown
quote:
We cannot get past "I hate that motherfricker." "NAZI"
I doubt many Mericans can name planks in their own parties platform. They're Republicans or Democrats because they hate the other guy and are prone to fall for simple propaganda.
Issues are irrelavent and impossible to discuss anymore
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:58 am to MontyFranklyn
Democrats were way ahead with Jim Crow.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:10 am to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Didn't Republicans invent identity politics with the Southern Strategy?
That was Nixon. Johnson predated that with "having blacks vote Democrat for 200 years" and JFK and Bobby Kennedy kissing that Commie MLK's arse, for votes.
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