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re: I didn’t vote for Trump but I support him on deportation.

Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:08 pm to
Then what’s your soft arse argument?

We can’t let the federal government do what it was elected to do, within its authority, because you are too scared of how they might do it? Because you’ve swallowed all of the asinine gaslighting about Trump being Hitler? GTFO
Posted by Bison
Truth or Consequences
Member since Dec 2016
1312 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:09 pm to
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Yeah...some people change but I think you're still the same Obama loving progressive you were back then. I'm surprised you agree with anything Trump has done. It must sting with all the shite-talking you've done over the years.


I do think Obama was a good role model. Was respected around the world and the economy was great under Obama, he made healthcare accessible to masses.

That being said, the Ukraine war started in 22 under Biden. And lots has changes since then with the Democratic Party. I.e, sending billions to the Ukraine war, making abortion a leading campaign message , and democrats became the party of trans rights.

Plus I had more experience in the real world( construction industry) so I know how a business friend president can affect the economy. People are allowed to alter their political views buddy.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:11 pm to
Where do you think all of this well funded, organized radical street activism started?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44281 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Schools should bring back shop classes so American students can learn more trade skills like wood working, agriculture, construction .


quote:

if you think the avg high schooler is going to want to do that when they’re used to the comforts this country provides


I mean, you couldn’t be more incorrect.

You do you though.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44281 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I do think Obama was a good role model. Was respected around the world and the economy was great under Obama


I could not disagree more.

So, are you an “independent” that voted for Harris?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44281 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:19 pm to
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I’d bet anything you’ll say shite like you can’t change democrats or liberals


Bison is voting Dem.

So is Bill Maher.

To suggest otherwise simply conflicts with reality.

They are of the “Vote Blue no matter who!” mindset.
Posted by coldbeerfan
Orange Beach MAGA Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
1685 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

Agreed but the only problem with that is we might not have enough people in the work force to do all of these jobs

That being said, we should be utilizing legal immigrants to fill the gaps.



bullshite! Illegals kill and have killed the construction jobs in South that were filled by black and white non college educated men. Never saw a illegal or legal Hispanic man on a job site in the South twenty years ago. The union workers in the North damn sure didn't let them on their jobsites.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299580 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:30 pm to
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can’t let the federal government do what it was elected to do


Was it elected to shoot protesters?

Because that's the danger, and if that happens Republicans are fricked.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55454 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:49 pm to
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I do think Obama was a good role model.


Obama is a horrible person, period. He could have made race relations in this country better, but in the end, he did what a progressive does.

Obama is the reason I left the Democrat party.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299580 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:50 pm to
Obama was a massive fraud.

He's the reason the bureaucracy is forever fricked up
Posted by Northshoretiger87
Member since Apr 2016
4954 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:52 pm to
“think chris Christy, Nikki Haley or Barack would have done fine.”

Lost me here. Ironic to say the least. Respect the rest. But this is off.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173660 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 12:56 pm to
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invisible hand will take care of the rest.

Probably one of the most of ignorant things that people that treat capitalism as a dogma say. The invisible hand can't train people to do jobs. You'd be dealing with a long term labor shortage that may never catch up and a stagnant economy. Our economy needs immigrants. We should just make sure that they're legal immigrants.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

Was it elected to shoot protesters?

Because that's the danger, and if that happens Republicans are fricked.


Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:22 pm to
Listen to yourself. The idea that American youth and the welfare underclass is too good (or too inept) to do manual and unskilled labor, so therefore we need to import someone else's brown underclass to scrub your toilet is nakedly racist.

And the invisible hand doesn't need to "train" anyone to do anything. The need within the market creates an economic incentive that necessitates the solution. The problem is that soft-arse Americans don't want to endure the temporary discomfort of the transition - even though it takes a whole 15 minutes to teach a 19 year old to mow a lawn or dig a ditch. Ask yourself where TF are all of these government funded asphalt shingle roofing schools in Honduras? shite, there are barely any asphalt shingles used there. They learn here... the same way American kids can learn.

Welfare work requirements, mass deportations, and bring trades back into high schools. We arent talking about the next generation of surgeons here.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299580 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Listen to yourself. The idea that American youth and the welfare underclass is too good (or too inept) to do manual and unskilled labor, so therefore we need to import someone else's brown underclass to scrub your toilet is nakedly racist.


Youre denying reality.

There are hundreds of thousands of construction jobs open, where are your vaunted workers?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:24 pm to
on welfare

Or living on the PS4 in mom's basement

quote:

Approximately 6.8 to 7.2 million able-bodied men in the U.S. are neither employed nor actively seeking employment. This number represents a significant portion of men in their prime working years (ages 25-54) who have dropped out of the labor force.
Yahoo
This post was edited on 6/10/25 at 2:29 pm
Posted by saintkenn
Saintkenn
Member since Nov 2012
1281 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:32 pm to
There's also the prison system with tons of able bodies that can get out and work for next to nothing. They can dig the ditches, harvest the fruits and vegetables and my tax dollars supplying them 3 squares and room/board will be useful again. Instead, the career criminals don't mind being in there.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:37 pm to
These idiots argue how critical these illegals are to a thriving economy but cant answer for the fact that their home countries, who are SIGNIFICANTLY less stable economically than the US, do NOT want them back.
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
4613 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:37 pm to
They can all live with you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299580 posts
Posted on 6/10/25 at 2:38 pm to
quote:


Approximately 6.8 to 7.2 million able-bodied men in the U.S. are neither employed nor actively seeking employment


And they will not work, parents will support them

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