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re: I asked Grok to make an argument against birth right citizenship
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:44 pm to Tigers0918
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:44 pm to Tigers0918
quote:Indeed. Starting with the SCOTUS 1898 Ark finding.
Everything about this is so dumb.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:49 pm to Obtuse1
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Actually, because the 14th Amendment specifically excluded most Indians, the presumption is that the architects of the amendment would have excluded any groups they wanted to exclude.
It truly is a simple decision if you review it from textualist perspective.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:57 pm to Tigers0918
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Birth right citizenship is part of the constitution whether you like it or not
Only if you interpret the 14th differently than the people who wrote it. It's like telling a songwriter that his lyrics don't mean what he says they mean.
And this shows the inherent contradiction in being a textualist. People will say the Constitution isn't a living document and what's written is what's written, but that is refusing to admit that language evolves. Words change meaning.
By refusing to use the additional context of the writers and instead interpreting only the written text through your modern perspective, textualists are in fact changing the Constitution.
If you don't think so, just look at the phrase "under the jurisdiction of." The meaning was so obvious to the people of the time that no more needed to be said. And we know what they meant because they told us. But now we have modern people debating the meaning of that phrase. If language didn't evolve, we wouldn't be debating what the past considered common knowledge.
If you refuse to consider additional context, you are no better than the left who wants to claim that 'militia' only means the national guard.
It's absurd to think you can interpret written words better than the people who wrote them. Anyone who thinks the 14th applies to illegals is trying to change the Constitution based on their own interpretation, not the intent.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:00 pm to Tigers0918
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Birth right citizenship is part of the constitution whether you like it or not. Trying to find some pipe dream loophole isn't gong to work. If Trump wants it changed, then he can try to get congress to pass an amendment otherwise just deal with it.
Screw “dwi” - fix it
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