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re: I asked Google if TigerDroppings is racist. Here’s their answer

Posted on 7/5/26 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 5:46 pm to
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Pontificating from a place of complete ignorance.

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You can't even figure how to prompt a LLM and you are insisting that that programming and training are the same thing.

Whatever kind of a medical person you are, when people come into your office saying things they don't understand, remember this moment.

Because that's 100% you right now.
You'd do far better assessing what you do, or do not, understand, than assuming what I know. Don't assume, address what you yourself know. AI response is severely limited by the sources it is programmed to access, and those it is not.

In so far as prompting an LLM, I've described exactly that in other posts .. and this one. The prompts issued in this instance led to an AI "apology" for the previous and illogical response.

Training, independent of computer programming, implies programming has reached independent agentic or even sentient levels. If not, training is a programming component
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 5:50 pm to
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Can a human mind be programmed?


Ooh bait and switch!

Just remember this moment.

Because you have no idea how an LLM works yet told yourself that you do.
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 6:00 pm to
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Wonder who the one down vote was…




And voted for Biden in 2020.

Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 6:10 pm to
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Google seems to be embellishing a bit, in my view.


Google's is filled with leftist BS and bias. It is always trying to manipulate people into being leftists or being their useful idiots.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 6:35 pm to
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Ooh bait and switch!
Just remember this moment.
NO SIR!
Sorry!

You remember this moment.

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Because you have no idea how an LLM works yet told yourself that you do.
and you have no clue as to what separates non-agentic AI from agentic AI ... it is not "training." It is ... wait for it ... programming. Even if the latter simply involves something as simple as removing programmed guardrails. If you are in the field, and did not understand that, I don't know what to tell you. If you aren't, it explains your inept responses.
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
8421 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 6:58 pm to
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You'd do far better assessing what you do, or do not, understand, than assuming what I know. Don't assume, address what you yourself know.


Assuming?

It's obvious how little you know on this topic.

Let's break down where you lost the plot.

Wikipedia has a good summary
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Computer programming or coding is the composition of sequences of instructions, called programs, that computers can follow to perform tasks. It involves designing and implementing algorithms, step-by-step specifications of procedures, by writing code in one or more programming languages. Programmers typically use high-level programming languages that are more easily intelligible to humans than machine code, which is directly executed by the central processing unit.


We the developers write the code (programming) that creates the attention layer, that is something we control.

Different people then take that set of instructions and feed whatever data they want into it. No programming involved, just point the developed model at a set of data and go. it's like you telling YouTube which song to play next, or your computer which video game to load.

The model then creates a massive set of weights that are the resultant matrices.

That is training a model.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/glossary/ai-training/

They are not the same, they have never been the same, they are functionally different.

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AI response is severely limited by the sources it is programmed to access, and those it is not.

You keep using the word programmed, but models are just given data, you don't write lines of code that say go explicitly here, maybe in a college class, but not at a Google/OpenAI/Anthropic level.

Again, the same model can be trained for different purposes by different people without "programming" anything.
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In so far as prompting an LLM, I've described exactly that in other posts .. and this one. The prompts issued in this instance led to an AI "apology" for the previous and illogical response.

This is because you don't know what you are doing or describing.

Depending on which model you are using, if you are working directly from google search it has no idea what you said previously.

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When enabled, memory helps ChatGPT automatically remember useful context from your chats, files, and connected apps to personalize your experience, so you don’t have to repeat yourself as often.

Memory controls are available in Settings > Personalization > Memory. You can choose to enable or disable memory at any time.

In google Gemini it's
https://gemini.google.com/saved-info

As I mentioned before there are specific ways (assuming you have the settings on) to get it to remember.

It's as easy as saying "Remember that..."

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Training, independent of computer programming, implies programming has reached independent agentic or even sentient levels. If not, training is a programming component

It's painful to see you struggle.
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AI training is the computational process of teaching an AI model to recognize patterns and logic within data. It transforms raw information like text, code, or images into intelligence, enabling the AI to perform tasks it wasn't explicitly programmed for-such as reasoning, problem-solving, and content generation.


I'm fine with you struggling with this for another dozen pages searching for a gotcha.

But you sound really really ignorant and out of your depth.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 7:00 pm to
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and you have no clue as to what separates non-agentic AI from agentic AI ... it is not "training." It is ... wait for it ... programming. Even if the latter simply involves something as simple as removing programmed guardrails. If you are in the field, and did not understand that, I don't know what to tell you. If you aren't, it explains your inept responses.


You are sooo stupid lol.

It's cute, you deeply out of your depth saying things you don't understand.

Keep going.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 7:38 pm to
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You are sooo stupid lol.

It's cute, you deeply out of your depth saying things you don't understand.

Keep going.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
8421 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 7:47 pm to
Yes, fundamentally you can't even figure out how to get a general tool to save a memory.

You keep fundamentally misusing and misunderstanding terms in a field you just don't comprehend.

But yes, you can prompt for a picture.

Good job, so proud of you.

You've obviously given up on your nonsense about
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"Google is lying, of course, because it is in the programming."




I hope you've learned something.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 7:50 pm to
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Wikipedia has a good summary


Well, damn!



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We the developers write the code (programming) that creates the attention layer, that is something we control.
WAIT!
What?

Lets read that again ... because "we" may have missed that "Wikipedia Wisdom."

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We the developers write the code (programming) that creates the attention layer, that is something we control
Sorry.

What do they do? What is ths .... ?? code ??
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:02 pm to
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But yes, you can prompt for a picture.
You are an effing moron.

Who did I "prompt" for a picture, nitwit?

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You've obviously given up on your nonsense about "Google is lying, of course," because it is in the programming."
You appear to be Illiterate, drunk or high. You either don't understand what you're reading or are too altered to assimilate it.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
8421 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:09 pm to
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Who did I "prompt" for a picture, nitwit?

I guess you can't even prompt, too hard it seems...

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You appear to be Illiterate, drunk or high. You either don't understand what you're reading or are too altered to assimilate it.


Look, you said something moronic, and it may hurt you to realize this, but it's not in the programming, it's your specific prompt getting the most aligned output of the training data.

You have always been free to turn on the various ways to save context, but without that it has no ability to remember prior conversations.

And unless you specifically ask it to remember it won't, and if you do, it will.

I even showed you where you could set it.

Have I dumbed it down enough for you?

Would you like me to give you an up vote so you feel better?

Or does grandma still think the VCR is watching her.

Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
8421 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:14 pm to
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What do they do? What is ths .... ?? code ??

So this is where you are clueless, the attention layer is what is used during training to create the weights, the same attention layer trained on different sets of data will produce completely different answers.

The vast majority of all AI models use the same basic software in different configurations.

Training is what produces the answer that you complain about.

It's like you clicking on a song on youtube, not liking it, and then claiming the "programmers" are out to get you lol

I may be mocking your ego, but I am willing to teach you lol
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:24 pm to
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but it's not in the programming
Hey nitwit, why isn't a search engine AI? Why isn't AI agentic? Will more "training" of current AI models render them agentic? Got it?

You misinterpreted a post, then prematurely jumped to assumptions and invectives. Subsequently, you cried about "bait and switch" with no cognizance as to the underlying assertion.

Sober up. If you want to discuss it further tomorrow, I'll be happy to reengage
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:25 pm to
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I may be mocking your ego, but I am willing to teach you lol
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
8421 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:30 pm to
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Hey nitwit, why isn't a search engine AI? Why isn't AI agentic? Will more "training" of current AI models render them agentic? Got it?

You don't even know how dumb that is, every one of your questions is ignorant.

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You misinterpreted a post, then prematurely jumped to assumptions and invectives. Subsequently, you cried about "bait and switch" with no cognizance as to the underlying assertion.

Sad you resorted to lying.

You tried to bait and switch by discussing the human brain.

Bad lie, you should be ashamed.

Love the admission that your only way to argue is to lie.
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Sober up. If you want to discuss it further tomorrow, I'll be happy to reengage

More lies?

That's what you have coming? Another hundred posts of attempts to find somehow to pretend that you were not a fool?

Is your ego that fragile?

Are you that on the cusp of personal feelings of worthlessness that you have to lie on the internet?
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 8:33 pm
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:22 pm to
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