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re: how excited do you get when you learn a new word to use
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:54 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:54 am to ShortyRob
quote:that's not accurate in the slightest
Oh. And no, it's not semantics.
What you've been saying is the rough equivalent of me saying, "I believe we should raise taxes on all people who don't pay enough taxes". Then, you ask me which people and I say, "all of em that don't pay enough!!!".
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:56 am to Machine
quote:You do understand that businesses sometimes lose money, right?
what's your income if you don't make money?
If you don't know how that works, we have a long way to go.
quote:More nothing.
anything that involves you paying a lesser effective tax than your bracket.
quote:
you're not certain of much
OK. Well. A 6 page troll is pretty solid, I'll give you that.
But, you've also answer your OP. This is why you can't find middle ground with people.
Hell, there's probably things we COULD agree on but you won't even state your position.
I'm pretty sure you can't pass a law called the "Repeal Loopholes Act" where the sum total of the content is to say, "Repeal loopholes".
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:I should point out that my "bracket" is based on my EARNINGS........not my revenue. So, by definition, my bracket is the RESULT of my income after deductions.
anything that involves you paying a lesser effective tax than your bracket.
It's literally impossible to "pay a lesser rate than my bracket".
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:i'm not sure how much clearer i can state that businesses in a set tax bracket should pay said taxes
Hell, there's probably things we COULD agree on but you won't even state your position.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:58 am to ShortyRob
quote:good god, man, are you really this dense?
I should point out that my "bracket" is based on my EARNINGS........not my revenue. So, by definition, my bracket is the RESULT of my income after deductions.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:59 am to Machine
quote:
i'm not sure how much clearer i can state that businesses in a set tax bracket should pay said taxes
Do you know how one determines what bracket a business is in?
Cause, I mean..........they pay taxes based upon their income after deductions. That literally IS their bracket.
What do you want to use to determine what bracket they're in?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:59 am to Machine
Yes. He is. On every topic.
He rarely has any idea what he's talking about and speaks in vague generalities with no explanation
He rarely has any idea what he's talking about and speaks in vague generalities with no explanation
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:00 pm to Machine
quote:
good god, man, are you really this dense?
Feigned outrage because you realize I can tell where you're going even though you refuse to acknowledge it.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:01 pm to Breesus
quote:
Yes. He is. On every topic. He rarely has any idea what he's talking about and speaks in vague generalities with no explanation
LOL.
The dude says he wants "all loopholes" removed......."which loopholes"? All of them.
Are you defending that?
Telling
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:02 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Lotta nuanced spice in this post.
Maybe some gets through, probably not.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:03 pm to ShortyRob
quote:list any specific deduction or loophole and i'll tell you if i'm for or against it.
The dude says he wants "all loopholes" removed......."which loopholes"? All of them.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:04 pm to ShortyRob
So hey.
For fun.
Sample Widget Business(easiest tax form ever)
Revenue $10M
Total Personnel costs $5M
Property Costs $1M
Production Costs $3M
We'll pretend there's nothing else.
What is the amount Machine wants me to base their taxes upon?
For fun.
Sample Widget Business(easiest tax form ever)
Revenue $10M
Total Personnel costs $5M
Property Costs $1M
Production Costs $3M
We'll pretend there's nothing else.
What is the amount Machine wants me to base their taxes upon?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:06 pm to ShortyRob
quote:can you further break down the personnel costs?
ShortyRob
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:08 pm to Machine
quote:
can you further break down the personnel costs?
You mean salaries and benefits? (along with perhaps contract hires)?
You telling me you won't want the cost of my employees to be a deduction from Revenue?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:09 pm to ShortyRob
quote:more curious how much the owner is getting paid, and why they're in business if they can't turn a profit
You mean salaries and benefits? (along with perhaps contract hires)?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:09 pm to ShortyRob
I can tell from that question that there's not a snowball's chance in hell Machine has any idea of what mechanism GE or Exxon used that he's appalled about. 
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:10 pm to Machine
quote:
more curious how much the owner is getting paid, and why they're in business if they can't turn a profit
Businesses have bad years.
Maybe for 10 years running, I kicked arse selling widgets. Banked a lot of cash. Maybe I have $20 million in cash.
But, this year, shite happened and I lost a million.
I don't just shut my doors because, well, I still have $19M in cash and I think I can recover.
Is this really stuff you are unware of?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:12 pm to ShortyRob
Or, maybe I have a business idea that I really believe will be profitable down the line(Amazon).
So, I pour cash into it as it loses money hand over fist to gain market share.
Then, eventually, I'm making butt tons of money.
Is this also some strange concept to you?
So, I pour cash into it as it loses money hand over fist to gain market share.
Then, eventually, I'm making butt tons of money.
Is this also some strange concept to you?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:13 pm to ShortyRob
quote:i wouldn't address how much of the personnel costs went to the owner in that hypothetical either
Businesses have bad years.
Maybe for 10 years running, I kicked arse selling widgets. Banked a lot of cash. Maybe I have $20 million in cash.
But, this year, shite happened and I lost a million.
I don't just shut my doors because, well, I still have $19M in cash and I think I can recover.
Is this really stuff you are unware of?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:16 pm to Machine
What's going on in here?
The Bumper-Sticker Slogannering Left is complaining about the language being used against them ?
You don't say?
Well now, isn't that rich.
#INB4racistsexisthomophobeandhatechildren
The Bumper-Sticker Slogannering Left is complaining about the language being used against them ?
You don't say?
Well now, isn't that rich.
#INB4racistsexisthomophobeandhatechildren
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