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re: how excited do you get when you learn a new word to use
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:57 am to Machine
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:57 am to Machine
quote:Explain.
tax rates
quote:Abortion(literally hundreds of non complete bans have been attempted)Not that abortion is actually "conservative" per se.
name ONE issue where you believe conservative would give up even one inch on today if Democrats would come all the way to that inch?
Tax rates. Literally every proposal ever made by Republicans on taxes has left shite they'd really prefer off the table.
Immigration. Again, there have been literally dozens of offers from the right in the last 10 years. Anything short of complete amnesty gains no traction.
And no offense, no Republican alive is going to go for one of those "compromises" where they give up something today in return for something tomorrow.
That's probably a legit way to compromise but Reagan fell for that. Bush 1 fell for that. Bush Jr. fell for that. Gingrich Fell for that. Sorry. Lucy holding the ball is gonna be a problem.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:58 am to Machine
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individuals are individuals businesses are not
In terms of policy. If all libertarians were Machine......what would the policy look like in practice? I mean, you and I both know you're talking about policy you don't like that you're pointing to.
So. Ok. What would yours be?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:04 am to Machine
Man I was certain "Trumpanzee" would get me through Trumps 2 or 3 year term, but "Fly Over Baws" just captures everything:
From an insignificant part of the country;
Insignificant as an individual to the point you have to get a con man to fight for you.
Its strong.
From an insignificant part of the country;
Insignificant as an individual to the point you have to get a con man to fight for you.
Its strong.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:04 am to ShortyRob
quote:business would foot the majority of the country's tax bill, not individuals income. in fact, you could get rid of income tax all together, implement a national sales tax, and lower the corporate taxes and fund an efficient government.
In terms of policy. If all libertarians were Machine......what would the policy look like in practice?
you're going to have to deal with ending a lot of wasteful spending like robust contracts to a friend of a senator's firm, and entitlement spending that does not encourage the individual to better their situation, but it can definitely be done.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:06 am to Machine
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of middle ground to meet on and actually work for the betterment of society?
Ok We need to meet somewhere between repealing the 19th amendment and encouraging mentally ill sexual deviants to use the bathroom with little girls.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:07 am to Machine
quote:Hmm. I oppose income taxes in all forms...so, to continue
business would foot the majority of the country's tax bill, not individuals income.
quote:I support a national sales tax to replace income tax, but, not sure how that comports with what I bolded of yours above?
in fact, you could get rid of income tax all together, implement a national sales tax,
quote:So, you want to eliminate the income tax, institute a national sales tax, AND keep corporate income taxes?
and lower the corporate taxes and fund an efficient government
Can I assume based on the first sentence in this post that the primary source of Federal revenue would be corporate income taxes? If not, clarify.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:09 am to Lakeboy7
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Man I was certain "Trumpanzee" would get me through Trumps 2 or 3 year term, but "Fly Over Baws" just captures everything: From an insignificant part of the country; Insignificant as an individual to the point you have to get a con man to fight for you. Its strong.
I sincerely hope this catches on with the left. I think it's a great idea.
I think the left should definitely make fun of all of the people not in the major coastal cities.
How can I help you to accomplish this?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:12 am to ShortyRob
quote:yeah, the biggest source would move from individuals income to business income. you don't have to keep the corporate rate as high as it is, but if you remove loop holes and lower it to 10-15% that shouldn't be an issue.
So, you want to eliminate the income tax, institute a national sales tax, AND keep corporate income taxes?
Can I assume based on the first sentence in this post that the primary source of Federal revenue would be corporate income taxes? If not, clarify.
i don't understand how so many conservatives can complain about not everybody paying into the system, but then be okay with businesses who use loopholes to get to negative tax rate.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:30 am to Machine
quote:Can you give me an example of the loopholes you want to remove? I mean, 10-15% looks like it's gonna be awful low to primarily fund our behemoth.
you don't have to keep the corporate rate as high as it is, but if you remove loop holes and lower it to 10-15% that shouldn't be an issue.
You aren't one of those who wants the tax to basically be on revenue are you? Don't laugh. We've had those on the board.
quote:Again, it's very hard for me to address this without knowing what you are referring to? I'm not a fan of convoluted taxes, but I can't default agree with you here without knowing an example of the loopholes you speak of.
but then be okay with businesses who use loopholes to get to negative tax rate.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:34 am to ShortyRob
quote:can't name specifics, no, but whatever allows your GE's and Exxon's to not pay taxes.
Can you give me an example of the loopholes you want to remove?
quote:not coupled with a sales tax and cuts in spending across the board. in my opinion, at least.
10-15% looks like it's gonna be awful low to primarily fund our behemoth.
quote:nope
You aren't one of those who wants the tax to basically be on revenue are you? Don't laugh. We've had those on the board.
quote:
I'm not a fan of convoluted taxes, but I can't default agree with you here without knowing an example of the loopholes you speak of.
any and every loophole. if you're going to have loopholes, why even have the tax?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:35 am to ShortyRob
quote:
How can I help you to accomplish this?
Spread the good news in N Alabama brother.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:36 am to Lakeboy7
quote:
Spread the good news in N Alabama brother.
Absolutely.
I hope you get it out everywhere.
Definitely a recipe for political success.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:44 am to Machine
quote:Well dude. That's not a position. It's a concept.
can't name specifics, no, but whatever allows your GE's and Exxon's to not pay taxes.
quote:
any and every loophole. if you're going to have loopholes, why even have the tax?
Well, I mean, corps do pay a lot of taxes.
Yes. Some pay less in certain years. But, it's very hard to figure out what you oppose when you don't even specifically seem to know what you oppose.
I'm sorry, "any and all loopholes" is non informative. I mean, a lot of what I consider legit deductions, you might call "loopholes". I have no way of knowing.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:46 am to ShortyRob
quote:semantics much?
Well dude. That's not a position. It's a concept.
quote:why have a tax if people aren't going to pay it?
I'm sorry, "any and all loopholes" is non informative. I mean, a lot of what I consider legit deductions, you might call "loopholes". I have no way of knowing.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:47 am to Lakeboy7
quote:Lotta nuanced spice in this post.
Man I was certain "Trumpanzee" would get me through Trumps 2 or 3 year term, but "Fly Over Baws" just captures everything: From an insignificant part of the country; Insignificant as an individual to the point you have to get a con man to fight for you. Its strong.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:48 am to Machine
quote:
quote:
This. "Compromise" always means "move left."
unless you're liberal, then compromise means "move right"
When you own the pop culture messaging and media, you have the platform to define what is perceived as normal.
You never see Dems say "this is a great compromise" without huge concessions from Rs. Don't pretend that my comments were inaccurate. It is THE playbook and entire long game of Progressives.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:49 am to Machine
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why have a tax if people aren't going to pay it?
Well. If I own a business, and I suffer losses in a given year, then I won't owe any taxes because, well, you pay taxes on money you MAKE.
So. Like I said. You need to tell me what needs to be repealed. "Any loopholes" isn't very informative.
I'm not certain you can even articulate to me what you understand regarding the GE and Exxon taxes you mentioned.
Since you brought them up, how much do you think they paid and, how do you think they got out of what they "should" have paid?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:50 am to SoulGlo
quote:the reverse is also true
You never see Dems say "this is a great compromise" without huge concessions from Rs. Don't pretend that my comments were inaccurate.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:51 am to Machine
quote:
semantics much?
Oh. And no, it's not semantics.
What you've been saying is the rough equivalent of me saying, "I believe we should raise taxes on all people who don't pay enough taxes". Then, you ask me which people and I say, "all of em that don't pay enough!!!".
LOL. Well no shite.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:53 am to ShortyRob
quote:what's your income if you don't make money?
Well. If I own a business, and I suffer losses in a given year, then I won't owe any taxes because, well, you pay taxes on money you MAKE.
quote:
So. Like I said. You need to tell me what needs to be repealed. "Any loopholes" isn't very informative.
anything that involves you paying a lesser effective tax than your bracket.
quote:you're not certain of much
I'm not certain you can even articulate to me what you understand regarding the GE and Exxon taxes you mentioned.
quote:100% of the taxes due in their bracket?
Since you brought them up, how much do you think they paid and, how do you think they got out of what they "should" have paid?
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