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re: How do we organize?
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:43 pm to Little Trump
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:43 pm to Little Trump
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This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 5:45 pm
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Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:43 pm to Little Trump
it starts with california and new york
until you can get them to stop re-electing nancy pelosi, maxine waters, and chuck shumers, there is no fixing things.
the iwants living off government checks getting a freee ride through life now outnumber the workers pulling the wagon
shut off the government entitlements and force them all to go earn a paycheck is step 1 before you can fix the warped socialist mentality in this country
also end all government backed student loans, grants, tuition assistance, and subsidies to any and all colleges immediately.
until you can get them to stop re-electing nancy pelosi, maxine waters, and chuck shumers, there is no fixing things.
the iwants living off government checks getting a freee ride through life now outnumber the workers pulling the wagon
shut off the government entitlements and force them all to go earn a paycheck is step 1 before you can fix the warped socialist mentality in this country
also end all government backed student loans, grants, tuition assistance, and subsidies to any and all colleges immediately.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:46 pm to Little Trump
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We have to save ourselves from an overpowering government that couldn’t care less about its employers, which is us taxpayers
Isn’t this what people claim guns are for? Why isn’t anyone doing anything?
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:46 pm to Little Trump
Remember the whole issue of 501 organizations. That is how these groups tried to organize to raise funds and move ahead. Remember also that under LL and after the success of the Tea Party in 2010, it became very difficult for these organizations such as True the Vote and anything with Tea Party in the title to gain tax exempt and accepted status under the IRS. Hence the effort died and there were onerous and invasive questions asked of the applicants about whom they were corresponding with etc. (By the way, this was how the previous administration handled the challenge) So organization sounds good but to do it effectively there are hoops to jump through. They are not ad hoc organizations.
I'm not a lawyer and am going from the old memory as to how the IRS/LL/Take the 5th episodes of the last administration unfolded.
I'm not a lawyer and am going from the old memory as to how the IRS/LL/Take the 5th episodes of the last administration unfolded.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:48 pm to Little Trump
If you get many responders, a good portion of them will respond to shite on you for even suggesting that the people/public should stand up and fight for American values and principles, and against a self-serving bureaucracy.
First answer is at the ballot box. We have a lot of good people who just don’t make the effort to vote. I think people who do not take any form of public assistance should get an extra deduction for voting. We should also push voter ID, down the democrats throats if necessary.
The second answer is the Constitution. While it will do little to nothing about the unelected bureaucrats, charging, trying, and convicting elected officials when they blatantly violate their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution would be a great start. Same for judges, up to and including the Supreme Court justices.
When our ruling class starts having to worry about the law, and law enforcement as much as everyday Americans, you might start seeing politicians and bureaucrats that aren’t complete pieces of shite.
Third answer is term limits. The office of the President was term limited because of the power it holds, decades ago. The sheer scope and depth of power and influence that today’s legislators can put to work for themselves, their party, and their agenda, with many serving decades in districts where they cannot be defeated, dictates that term limits for legislators, and even government workers, must happen. Over the socialist democrat’s dead bodies if necessary.
Then we can start talking about doing away with alphabet federal agencies with no constitutional mandate completely. Our federal government should be less than one third the size it is.
First answer is at the ballot box. We have a lot of good people who just don’t make the effort to vote. I think people who do not take any form of public assistance should get an extra deduction for voting. We should also push voter ID, down the democrats throats if necessary.
The second answer is the Constitution. While it will do little to nothing about the unelected bureaucrats, charging, trying, and convicting elected officials when they blatantly violate their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution would be a great start. Same for judges, up to and including the Supreme Court justices.
When our ruling class starts having to worry about the law, and law enforcement as much as everyday Americans, you might start seeing politicians and bureaucrats that aren’t complete pieces of shite.
Third answer is term limits. The office of the President was term limited because of the power it holds, decades ago. The sheer scope and depth of power and influence that today’s legislators can put to work for themselves, their party, and their agenda, with many serving decades in districts where they cannot be defeated, dictates that term limits for legislators, and even government workers, must happen. Over the socialist democrat’s dead bodies if necessary.
Then we can start talking about doing away with alphabet federal agencies with no constitutional mandate completely. Our federal government should be less than one third the size it is.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:48 pm to Ray Corona
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Ray Corona
oh look a new dimm low IQ troll
Posted on 6/16/19 at 5:56 pm to Little Trump
Given Google's, Twitter's, Facebook's, et al propensity to beat down and make persona non grata any entity attempting to buck the system .... it would be very difficult to launch a grass roots anti-bureaucracy anti-deep state anti-swamp movement of any kind.
I suspect the only chance would be to actually go the other way with it ... attempt to keep it very secretive and make it something that would cause the establishment some real problems.
I suspect the only chance would be to actually go the other way with it ... attempt to keep it very secretive and make it something that would cause the establishment some real problems.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:06 pm to sugar71
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Whatever happened to the Tea Party They gave up on reducong the deficit /reducing spending I guess
Sugar is an idiot? I'm shocked.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:07 pm to Possumslayer
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And attacked by the gubment..
Tea Party was fairly angry/ emotional about the debt a few years ago.
If Booker or Harris are elected they'd probably care about the deficit once again.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:09 pm to Little Trump
I think that until we get so upset that we all, and I mean ALL, stop what we are doing and show we will take some kind of action, nothing will change. If we all drove to Washington DC and clogged traffic and had a coherent message, it might take root.
When the “tea party” happened, it was at first a spontaneous uprising of those of us who got scared by the governmental overreach. Then some more politicians jumped in front of the crowd and represented themselves as leaders of the “party”, which they were not. It sort of cooled everything off a little, in my opinion.
Problem was, there were lots of people upset - but about lots of different things. No clear message was communicated and we quit. It’s going to require a lot of commitment to a clear objective. IMO.
When the “tea party” happened, it was at first a spontaneous uprising of those of us who got scared by the governmental overreach. Then some more politicians jumped in front of the crowd and represented themselves as leaders of the “party”, which they were not. It sort of cooled everything off a little, in my opinion.
Problem was, there were lots of people upset - but about lots of different things. No clear message was communicated and we quit. It’s going to require a lot of commitment to a clear objective. IMO.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:09 pm to Little Trump
Quit paying taxes.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:12 pm to 76Forest
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When the “tea party” happened, it was at first a spontaneous uprising of those of us who got scared by the governmental overreach. Then some more politicians jumped in front of the crowd and represented themselves as leaders of the “party”, which they were not. It sort of cooled everything off a little, in my opinion.
That's not how it ended. Read my earlier post but to remind, the Obama administration purposefully killed the Tea party and in a very clever manner.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:16 pm to Little Trump
LOL! Top fed post.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:26 pm to Little Trump
How many here, I wonder, actually Grass Roots participate, including the OP?
For years I have volunteered in and participated in the Republican Party in my county, attending events, casting votes and working the phone lines, putting out signs, poll watching and even working as an election judge at several precincts.
May I suggest that the OP and any others get off their tush and volunteer, participate and donate more than just money. Donate your talents and your organizational skills or time and willingness to be directed by others.
I can 100% guarantee the founding fathers didn't sit around complaining while waiting for others to act.
For years I have volunteered in and participated in the Republican Party in my county, attending events, casting votes and working the phone lines, putting out signs, poll watching and even working as an election judge at several precincts.
May I suggest that the OP and any others get off their tush and volunteer, participate and donate more than just money. Donate your talents and your organizational skills or time and willingness to be directed by others.
I can 100% guarantee the founding fathers didn't sit around complaining while waiting for others to act.
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:44 pm to sugar71
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Tea Party was fairly angry/ emotional about the debt a few years ago.
And the IRS pretty much destroyed them. Seriously, how dumb are you?
Posted on 6/16/19 at 6:57 pm to HubbaBubba
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I can 100% guarantee the founding fathers didn't sit around complaining while waiting for others to act.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 7:09 pm to TrueTiger
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Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I agree with this.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 7:15 pm to Little Trump
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This post was edited on 8/19/20 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 7:16 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
aTm Dillo you are not wrong. IRS skullduggery was clearly effective, who knows how much it changed things. But it was also a disappointment to some of us that weren’t involved at that level yet when politicians named the grassroots group “a party”. I never got a membership card, but a lot of people began to try to speak for me.
I just remember being at a protest ( first one of my life) and talking to people in the crowd. We weren’t all sure why we were there, and a lot of people had different hot-button issues, from Obamacare to the GM illegal bailout, to you name it.
Folks were pretty hot and worked up those first few days, but it wasn’t organized well enough to survive long.
** by the way, I’m still steamed that nothing happened to anyone responsible for that IRS mistreatment of 501 conservative organizations!!!
I just remember being at a protest ( first one of my life) and talking to people in the crowd. We weren’t all sure why we were there, and a lot of people had different hot-button issues, from Obamacare to the GM illegal bailout, to you name it.
Folks were pretty hot and worked up those first few days, but it wasn’t organized well enough to survive long.
** by the way, I’m still steamed that nothing happened to anyone responsible for that IRS mistreatment of 501 conservative organizations!!!
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 7:25 pm to sugar71
There is going to be South American style gunfire in the streets soon as the lid blows off.
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