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re: How do I convince my parents (specifically my mom) that Israel is not some great ally

Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:32 pm to
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what's occured in the middle east since the 80s.... War with Iraq, two al Qaeda attacks on the WTC, USS Cole bombing, war in Afghanistan because they were harboring terrorists, ISIS/ISIL, etc etc

Maybe our politicians are happy to have an ally in the middle east?


All these things happen, because of US support for Israel.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:55 pm to
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You never answered on AIPAC, just flipped the script in a deflection by asking about Qatar. It's fine as the conversation has run it's course, but you should prob be more critical of a nation that heavily influences our politicians,


AIPAC is run by American lobbyists, albeit those in favor of strong support for Israel.

It's not foreigners influencing our institutions.
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5771 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:09 pm to
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AIPAC is run by American lobbyists, albeit those in favor of strong support for Israel.
"American" lobbyists
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It's not foreigners influencing our institutions.
LOL. OK, you really had me going for a minute.
Posted by trublulsu
Westlake, La
Member since Aug 2005
304 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:37 pm to
You understand nothing about Christianity and what it is based on. You're in this conversation unarmed.
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
1483 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:45 pm to
You simply do not understand the bible. Consecrated unto God means CALLED OUT. Israel were CALLED OUT to birth the Messiah. The Gentiles have been CALLED OUT to spread the Gospel, THEN Israel will finish their calling which Paul tells us in Rom. 11 is WITHOUR REPENTANCE, and that calling is for Israel to rule along with Jesus via the Kingdom Age for his 1000 year reign.

And Paul is correct, not all Jews are of God, but not all of the Gentiles are of God either, but that does not mean EACH has a different CALLING. Gal. 3 actually is just the opposite of what most people think, I will explain it, then go read it again. Paul starts out oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched or tricked you into leaving the FAITH (Spirit) and going back under THE LAW (Flesh)? Then he points out why the Law came 430 years after THE PROMISE, how anyone who breaks any of the law is guilty of it all. How the Law was just a Schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ Jesus. Then this portion is MISCONSTUED by laymen.

Paul says There are no Jews or Gentiles (Greeks) no Male nor Females, no Slaves or Freemen In Christ Jesus we are ALL ONE. But you guys get this backwards. Are there still Females and Males? THINK NOW? If so then that is not what Paul mean, that there are no Jews nor Gentiles in Christ Jesus. What he meant was the Jews AND Gentiles the Males and Females all have to come unto Christ Jesus in the exact same manner, by FAITH ALONE !! Once you understand this who chapter you can grasp why Paul was saying this. I will explain.

So, the Galatians were now trying to keep Moses' Laws (trying to be Jew like in order to make it to Heaven) because no doubt some Jewish Converts to Christianity had come unto them and stated you still have to keep the Laws of Moses (Flesh) in order to make it to Heaven. So, Paul found them keeping the Laws of Moses and chastised them, called them foolish. Then explained in detail how THE LAW avails nothing, it was THE PROMISE, of Christ Jesus where our Righteousness came from.

So, basically Paul was telling the Galatians to STOP TRYING TO BE Jews in order to make it to Heaven, then he explains ALL PEOPLE, both Jews and Gentiles, Men and Women must come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, in other words we are ALL ONE in how we come unto the Father, we are not ALL ONE else we would have no males nor females right? He was using the Gentiles and Jews just like the Males and Females, teaching them how we are ONE in how we come unto God, by Faith Alone, not in WHO WE ARE, there are still Males and Females AND there are still Jews and Gentiles. We are all one in how we come into the Kingdom of God, but that does not change Gods callings. I might be called to preaching and healing, another might be called to feed the poor, yet another might be called to a Singing career for the Ministry, yet we all come unto God in the exact same manner, by FAITH ALONE
Posted by JesusSaves777
Southern Mississippi
Member since Sep 2024
272 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:59 pm to
I don’t understand exactly what you were trying to say, but what I was saying is that the jews are not some master race people seem think they are when someone says “chosen people”. The jews were picked by God to be a light to the nations, be his prophets, and be the nation which brings about the Messiah that’s it. God does not love them more nor are they “above” any other nation. Their special role was fulfilled 2,000 years ago. They are not special anymore. They are just like the rest of us. God’s new chosen people are Christians both jew and gentile.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18163 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:03 pm to
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You understand nothing about Christianity and what it is based on.
didn’t miss a Sunday for 18 years of my life so ill tell you that you’re wrong there. Btw I’m not talking about religion here. The modern day nation state of Israel has nothing to do with the Bible
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18163 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:04 pm to
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They are just like the rest of us. God’s new chosen people are Christians both jew and gentile.
yep. Some of these people would have you believe Jews make it to heaven without the acceptance of Jesus Christ which, if you are a Christian, goes against your very belief
Posted by JesusSaves777
Southern Mississippi
Member since Sep 2024
272 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:10 pm to
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Some of these people would have you believe Jews make it to heaven without the acceptance of Jesus Christ which, if you are a Christian, goes against your very belief


Exactly
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
1483 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:29 pm to
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I don’t understand exactly what you were trying to say, but what I was saying is that the jews are not some master race people seem think they are when someone says “chosen people”. The jews were picked by God to be a light to the nations, be his prophets, and be the nation which brings about the Messiah that’s it. God does not love them more nor are they “above” any other nation. Their special role was fulfilled 2,000 years ago. They are not special anymore. They are just like the rest of us. God’s new chosen people are Christians both jew and gentile.



That was my whole point, you do not grasp that all was not fulfilled 2000 years ago, the 70th week still has to happen, and the Kingdom Age where we the Church will not even be on earth with Jesus, only those who were Martyred by the Beast will rule in Glorious Bodies with Jesus, Rev. 20:4 says just that.

When Jesus came he came only unto the Jews/Israel, so when he taught his Disciples how to pray he told them to start out Thy Kingdom Come, because they all know about the promised Kingdom Age.

If there is no Kingdom Age on earth then God is a liar. After Jesus' birth why does Satan still want to kill every Jew? Because he needs to make God a liar, and to do that there can be no Kingdom Age.

God tells us in Ezekiel why he saves ALL Israel (not every Jew but each Tribe/Israel as a Nation) not because of ANYTHING they did, but to Glorify His Holy name, because He promised it to Abraham. If God keeps not His word then we would not want to serve Him, He would be like Satan, a Liar.

There were never any LOST TRIBES, I bet you have been fed that also, the Gentiles are not the lost 10 tribes, that's poppycock. If ONE MAN was still in Jerusalem from each tribe, then those 10 tribes were NEVER LOST. And the Northern Kingdom was so evil, many of the tribes o-peoples lived in Judah before they were toted off, there were never any LOST TRIBES, just people God cast out of Israel forever.
Posted by JesusSaves777
Southern Mississippi
Member since Sep 2024
272 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 4:49 pm to
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That was my whole point, you do not grasp that all was not fulfilled 2000 years ago


Jesus says he finished his work

John 17:4 “I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

John 19:30 “When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that he bowed his head and gave up his spirit

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If there is no Kingdom Age on earth then God is a liar


Jesus ushered in The Kingdom 2,000 years ago

Luke 17:21 “nor will people say, “Here it is,” or “There it is,” because the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 5:24 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18163 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 7:33 am to
Great analysis
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