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re: How can you claim to be inclusive when you call half of america backward?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:37 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:37 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I juxtaposed the fact that blacks tend to hold more conservative values with the fact that blacks then turn around and vote at cross purposes with those values by voting Dem at a disproportionate clip.
That sounds great and all, only that's not how it reads...
Here's what Tex was asking Michigan:
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Why should blacks consider voting Republican?
Here's what you responded to Tex's question with:
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Black people tend to hold more traditionally conservative views.
Republicans are more interested in getting you to stand on your own two feet than suckling at the government teat (as a general rule--of course there are exceptions).
Republicans are generally pro-life, and the abortion industry has preyed upon the so-called "black community."
Republicans are pro-2nd amendment, which affords blacks one of the single most powerful personal freedoms to defend ourselves from racists and other ne'er-do-wells.
To name a few.
Looks to me like just a litany of reasons for blacks to vote Republican, and not juxtaposed with anything at all.
You're trying to convince Tex why blacks should vote republican, one reason being that they tend to hold 'more' conservative views.
My point is, (first off, it's just strange that you say "more conservative") but that blacks tending to hold 'more' conservative views just isn't something widely accepted on the Right.
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Again, I'm not pushing for abject prohibition. Like more and more folks on the right and in the GOP, we are willing to compromise to curtail this heinous practice, which disproportionately targets blacks and minorities, and is promulgated by an organization in Planned Parenthood that subscribes to the ethos and exalts the perspective of a virulent, overt racist in founder Margaret Sanger.
Except none of that supports your claim that Republicans are fighting against the genocide. Two things need to happen to combat abortion. Educate young women on their reproductive systems and how to get control of it for themselves, and access to birth control. I've seen Republicans fight against both of these things, all the while pushing for prohibition. So I'm just saying your statement that Republicans have fought against this genocide still rings hollow for me.
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I frick women's asses.
Not bad - for an aggie. Maybe one day you'll find the pussy.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:39 am to Tigerdev
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This is the side of liberals that I can't tolerate. Liberal over-reach is a disease.
I call such people "lefties," not true liberals. They're that side of the aisle's answer to a cartoonish alt-right racist, IMO.
I can debate with a liberal and still be amicable at the end of the day. Leftists are only interested in shouting down discourse with such trite rhetoric.
So I try to distinguish between the two as best as I can
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:39 am to Tigerdev
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People accusing Bruno Mars of "cultural appropriation"
This is the side of liberals that I can't tolerate. Liberal over-reach is a disease.
The lovely liberal paradise of Juneau is having a discussion on cultural appropriation regarding the local art councils recent "wearable arts" show.
The absolute lack of awareness among some of these people is astounding.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:41 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Yea...When either side starts trying to wage a culture war against "the other side" I tend to draw a line tbh...
I call such people "lefties," not true liberals. They're that side of the aisle's answer to a cartoonish alt-right racist, IMO.
I can debate with a liberal and still be amicable at the end of the day. Leftists are only interested in shouting down discourse with such trite rhetoric.
So I try to distinguish between the two as best as I can
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:42 am to TbirdSpur2010
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call such people "lefties," not true liberals.
This is true. Liberal is the catchall term but progressives atent very liberal and have taken over the Dem party. They're the authoritarian wing of leftist ideology
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:45 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
What are “true conservatives”? Are they the pre-trump conservatives that allowed abortion, gay marriage, no prayer in schools, ruined bakers, widespread divorce, military funded tranny surgeries, and Folsom street parades happen under their watch? I suppose they at least they keep their decorum on twitter as they completely fail to conserve anything wholesome about our society. It’s very important for phony conservatives to know that true conservatives obey their ideological enemies and betray their constituency, else someone might call them sexist or something and that is simply just too much.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:48 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
Trumps economic policies aren't conservative, minus the tax cut. He's cut in the cloth of JFK when it comes to economics.
He's basically in the middle of the spectrum
He's basically in the middle of the spectrum
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
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"WHY'D YOU EVEN SAY ANYTHING IF YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO CONVINCE PPL, U STOOPID AGGY?!"
Except you were trying to convince tex why blacks should vote Republican, and you don't even realize it, you stupid aggie.
It's all there in the thread.
tex to shorty: What reason(s) would they have to vote Republican?
Michigan to tex: What has the Democratic Party done for blacks?
tex to Michigan: The question was: Why should blacks consider voting Republican?
tbird to tex: Black people tend to hold more traditionally conservative views...To name a few [reasons why blacks should vote for Republicans].
wild to tbird: I'm going to guess that the vast majority of Republicans would disagree with you on this point.
tbird to wild:I was stating a fact, not trying to convince anyone of anything.
Looked to me that you were trying to convince tex why blacks should vote Republican. However, my point stands, you'd do better telling Republicans about blacks' conservative values, not people such as tex. Because apparently Republicans don't get it.
The odd thing is, I don't disagree with you, but most Republicans seem to.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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"Conservative" might be a stretch though. Trumps presidency seems to be weeding out true conservatives.
The split has been there for a long time, Trump just figured out there are more nativist (not just immigration, but economically too) than actual free market believers. Who would have guessed ten years ago tariffs would be a debate in the larger conservative movement?
There's a nice divide apparent on the left too, but there aren't enough liberals on here at least to really see it play out like you have for conservatives.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think the old conservative values of obsessing over increasing the GDP by 2% or fighting foreign wars is a dying breed.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:56 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That sounds great and all, only that's not how it reads...
Then you need to work on your reading comprehension. It was obvious to everyone but you, and I expounded upon the point multiple times. I'd advise against you implying I was being ambiguous.
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Here's what you responded to Tex's question with:
quote: Black people tend to hold more traditionally conservative views.
Yes, that fact is a cogent reason for blacks to consider voting Republican. I was not endeavoring to convince tex or anyone else that blacks hold more conservative views. I was stating that fact as a given to buttress my argument that more blacks (not all, btw) should consider voting Republican.
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Looks to me like just a litany of reasons for blacks to vote Republican, and not juxtaposed with anything at all.
One of those reasons is that fact I've already covered. For the umpteenth time, my stating that fact in no way means that I was trying to convince him of the fact itself. I was attempting to convince him that more blacks should consider voting Republican (his terminology, btw--my druthers would be to simply consider NOT voting Democrat, honestly).
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first off, it's just strange that you say "more conservative"
Not when I've explained it the way I already have. It's not difficult to follow (for all except yourself), nor is it an outlandish turn of phrase.
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blacks tending to hold 'more' conservative views just isn't something widely accepted on the Right.
I disagree. What frustrates the Right is to see/hear black people espouse more conservative beliefs in day to day life, then vote en masse for liberals at the ballot box.
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none of that supports your claim that Republicans are fighting against the genocide.....your statement that Republicans have fought against this genocide still rings hollow for me.
Again, I disagree, especially based on recent legislation that's been proposed/passed in several states. But we are at an impasse on that point, it would appear.
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Two things need to happen to combat abortion. Educate young women on their reproductive systems and how to get control of it for themselves, and access to birth control.
I'll add a third item to the docket: an overhaul of the adoption/foster care system. Domestic adoption is absurdly impractical/inefficient. This is one of the primary reasons I feel so strongly about combating abortion. Two of my younger siblings were adopted, and that gift is something that should be pushed far more than it should. Also, I guess it's a gift to the adoptee lol.
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Not bad - for an aggie. Maybe one day you'll find the pussy.
Yo momma liked my BBC in hers
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:57 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
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What are “true conservatives”?
That’s a complex question.
I’ve always considered myself to be someone who possesses a strong conservative ideology, and I’m not even sure there’s a definition that fits me.
Russell Kirk nailed it when he said:
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Perhaps it would be well, most of the time, to use this word “conservative” as an adjective chiefly. For there exists no Model Conservative, and conservatism is the negation of ideology: it is a state of mind, a type of character, a way of looking at the civil social order.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The lovely liberal paradise of Juneau is having a discussion on cultural appropriation regarding the local art councils recent "wearable arts" show.
Oh wow
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:05 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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you were trying to convince tex why blacks should vote Republican, and you don't even realize it, you stupid aggie.
That's exactly what I said I was doing from jump street, you blithering idiot.
YOU were the one who then said I was trying to convince people that black people hold conservative values.
I added the bold lettering to train your eyes and your brain to think critically.
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Looked to me that you were trying to convince tex why blacks should vote Republican.
CORRECT. YOU'RE FINALLY GETTING IT.
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you'd do better telling Republicans about blacks' conservative values, not people such as tex.
The Right knows blacks live/act more conservatively than they vote. This has LONG been a point of angst.
People like tex are more concerned with who is an "average black" and judging the demographic as a collective hive mind that would never have individuals within it that should consider not voting democrat.
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The odd thing is, I don't disagree with you, but most Republicans seem to.
Logic is not your strong suit. You've taken several pot shots at my alma mater, but did you even graduate high school? If so, they did your underdeveloped brain a disservice by unleashing your dumbass upon the world.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:10 pm to EKG
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hat’s a complex question.
I’ve always considered myself to be someone who possesses a strong conservative ideology, and I’m not even sure there’s a definition that fits me.
Russell Kirk nailed it when he said:
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Perhaps it would be well, most of the time, to use this word “conservative” as an adjective chiefly. For there exists no Model Conservative, and conservatism is the negation of ideology: it is a state of mind, a type of character, a way of looking at the civil social order.
Well said.
I tell people I operate under the umbrella of conservatism. In truth, I make up my mind on each issue/concept individually and independently. Add them up, and my views in total more closely align with that which is viewed as right wing today (I say "today," because my same views would have been viewed differently, sometimes completely on the other side of the aisle, in different eras). However, I'm more libertarian on some issues, moderate on others, and downright liberal on a select few.
It really just depends. In general, people know where I'm coming from, but I'll only stand by the points for which I feel I have a valid argument. I can be wrong, my mind can be changed, my thinking can evolve, etc., because my views are not first filtered through any particular viewpoint.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This is true. Liberal is the catchall term but progressives atent very liberal and have taken over the Dem party. They're the authoritarian wing of leftist ideology
Authoritarian to a great extent, and some of the debates on the hard left are swinging into the absurd. Identity politics are there for all sides and viewpoints to an extent, but it is really poisoning all discussion on the progressive left. It is the victim olympics out there. Are you a white woman who is involved in the feminist movement? You're a racist. You know, because you aren't active in BLM too, so you only care about women's rights for white ladies.
My wife reads lefty stuff on the web, and what she tells me about is just confusing concerning the rules of who can say what. Nothing wrong with taking up issues concerning your race/gender, but it's to the point where the conversation isn't about moving anything forward but a festival of who can channel the most self-righteous anger.
I'm not happy to watch that part of the left having more sway, because it's only going to further harden the divide.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:19 pm to Tigerdev
quote:I have 2 or 3.
Who is your least favorite conservative poster?
It used to be goldnugget going away. But he's disappeared.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:19 pm to Duke
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The split has been there for a long time,
The right has always been this way, just not publicly. GOP isn't split by factions (until now) but by policy.
Now the factions are highly visible
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:22 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I call such people "lefties," not true liberals.
Yeah. There's definitely a divide. However, I say that with a caveat. Today's nutjob progressive is flat out the logical ideological progeny of yesterday's liberal.
Yesterday's liberal routinely used derision towards the founders as a way to support their desire to shift away from the constitution.
Today's nutso lefties simply took that shite 100% literally and ran with it.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Trumps economic policies aren't conservative, minus the tax cut. He's cut in the cloth of JFK when it comes to economics. He's basically in the middle of the spectrum
I agree.
Trump is literally what Democrats have said they wanted Republicans to do for my entire adult life.
And, Republicans did it.
Still Hitler.
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