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re: How Andrew Yang Could Win The 2020 Democratic Primary

Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:28 pm to
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:28 pm to
So, what you're saying is...he started a conversation?

I will agree that it is nice for someone with a platform (though how he has managed to gain a platform is not known to me) is at least engaging in some future-think.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:29 pm to
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The fricking AI within our lifetime will be more intelligent than all of humanity almost overnight before we can comprehend it.


It will have more computational ability, but for it to truly have sentience and agency is a little more far-fetched, IMO.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:31 pm to
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I won't say it is impossible, but we aren't nearly at the level of understanding of our own consciousness to properly design such a thing within a machine.


What you’re saying makes it more frightening though. The fact that we can’t comprehend it or it’s potential is the fricking problem. And if it comes to fruition, it’s probably not going to be fricking around and can make up its mind in nanoseconds compares infinite long minutes in comparison. It’s something that needs to be taken extremely seriously since it could mean the end of humanity. I’m far more concerned about AI than climate change.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:35 pm to
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So, what you're saying is...he started a conversation?



I know that most of the people that say that are full of shite, but yes it is valuable that he is starting this conversation with politicians. Most of these politicians roll their eyes at the tech people and don’t take them seriously at all. The fact of the matter is they don’t want to deal with it because they’re largely stupid power hungry pussies. There’s no good scaring the public on something that is inevitable, so let’s talk about something we’ll at worst be mildly inconvenienced by in global warming, and if we’re wrong, so fricking what? This needs to be center staged. If global warming is, can you possibly justify why this shouldn’t be?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:36 pm to
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It will have more computational ability, but for it to truly have sentience and agency is a little more far-fetched, IMO.


Talk to Elon Musk, man. I trust him more than some random guy on the Internet.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:39 pm to
Fair enough, but I've read folks just as smart as Musk but without the notoriety that insist that we cannot create in our image what we do not understand in ourselves.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:41 pm to
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Fair enough, but I've read folks just as smart as Musk but without the notoriety that insist that we cannot create in our image what we do not understand in ourselves.



I’m going to assume that one of the guys you’re talking about is Ray Kurzweil, and I just think he is far too naively optimistic about it. Correct me if I’m wrong there, but I don’t think Ray really stops and thinks about the negative connotations on what he is trying to create. He just blindly dismisses his critics.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:45 pm to
Not Kurzweil. I'll try to find what I'm talking about - it's been a while. More along the lines of people who think it is impossible to create what they are talking about.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:47 pm to
Fair enough. He’s just the most prominent of the intelligence community that dismisses these claims.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:51 pm to
The central arguments, from what I recall, is that creating a computer with sentience is impossible, at least deliberately, unless we understand sentience in ourselves - which we certainly do not.

That is not to say that AI cannot perform inhuman calculations and decisions (they already do), but they cannot be programmed to eventually think for themselves in the truest sense.
This post was edited on 3/19/19 at 11:52 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:55 pm to
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The central arguments, from what I recall, is that creating a computer with sentience is impossible, at least deliberately, unless we understand sentience in ourselves - which we certainly do not.


I’ve heard that argument, I just don’t buy it. I don’t see any reason we could predict something that is exponentially more intelligent than ourselves. I say prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Posted by jessieventura9
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:57 pm to
I listened to Yang bang. Robots will take over the world and you are worth $12K/year to do nothing. He's out.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 3/19/19 at 11:58 pm to
How does one prepare? My answer, as it has been for 13 years, is to retreat to a chunk of land and take care of myself while having adequate defenses, regardless of the problem. What else is there?
Posted by Rougarou13
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:02 am to
Posted by jessieventura9
Member since Feb 2019
88 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:03 am to
You will let a bot freak your wife. You're an idiot.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56544 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:07 am to
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You will let a bot freak your wife. You're an idiot.



Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:09 am to
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How does one prepare?


I’m not the one to answer that question. On the Joe Rogan podcast, Elon has basically just accepted his doom at this point.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:12 am to
Nihilism is boring and fruitless, if you ask me.
Posted by jessieventura9
Member since Feb 2019
88 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:13 am to
i'll get back to you bald headed nympho guy. If I may ask, are you a teacher or professor in a educational facility?
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:14 am to
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That is something to be extremely concerned about. If you aren’t, then you are ignorant or stupid.


AI is an issue for sure. Right now the military, NASA, Google, and intelligence agencies worldwide are already using it.

Meanwhile, your crew is still trying to figure out what bathroom to use.

AI is a long way from being relevant to a presidential election.
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