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re: Homosexuality not caused by genetics. They ar not "born that way ETA Addit link added

Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:59 pm to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:59 pm to
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I've been gay as long as I can remember and I have a twin who's straight.


Funny. You reiterate EXACTLY what this article is saying!

Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:09 pm to
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I've been a Conservative, Republican for as long as I can remember. I highly doubt that was genetic, though.


You would be correct, being a conservative republican is not tied to your genetics. I honestly don't care why I was born gay. I don't care if it was hormonal imbalance due to my mom having two boys in her womb, or if it was caused by a certain allele on my X chromosome. Honestly why does it matter? I, along with all other openly gay people are just trying to be the best version of ourselves as we can. Being that best version of myself does not include lying to myself and everyone else in order to try to be someone I'm not. It's exhausting. If you or anyone else chooses to believe it's a choice or whatever, then great. I stopped caring about your opinions a long time ago.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:11 pm to
Should have specified I'm a fraternal twin, so no this study does not relate to me.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:12 pm to
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So it's environmental? Something happens in a kids young life? That could explain why it's more likely for twins to share the same homosexual orientation more than the average but far from guaranteed, Twins probably have a higher chance of having identical experiences when younger because they are the same age, usually together more frequently, and are in many cases are treated the same as opposed to other siblings.




Might be a bit of a since "trans" is not necessarily gay, but the "born this way" line is complete bullshite.

My wife's cousin recently told us he wants to be a she. He has apparently been seeing a "therapist" and getting prescriptions for hormones. We discussed his feelings and within 5 minutes had pegged the main source of his desire/need to "transition." His "therapist" never bothered to go into his childhood, and has been prescribing the hormones. fricking drug dealers are all these "therapists" are.

They just go along with what the patient says, give them the hook, and collect the cash. They have accepted the "born this way" narrative and roll with it, leaving their clients hanging in the wind later.

The problem is that these people have deeply set issues and baggage in their mind that is not solved by a sex change. They think their feelings are from "the real gender trying to surface," but it is simply(simple, but sure as hell not easy) a lack of emotional awareness. They go through a major process that they think is a solution to their life's problem, and eventually those same emotions resurface. They hit a brick wall, since the feelings are supposed to have gone away with he arduous "transition" but it's still there. Their internal battle hasnt even begun yet. Hence the ridiculously high suicide rate.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:17 pm to
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Like being thrown off a building roof?
Being dragged out of bed and immolated or stoned to death?

Well, this is the point where you explain to me that since there is no choice to being gay, how can the queers on here be so anti-Christian, pro refugee, pro-Obama, Anti-travel ban? You know since it's supporting the very same people that want to throw them and stone them? It's as if the Orlando nightclub thing never happened?

Or are they born that way too? You know, toward self-destruction?

Or perhaps it's just another example of a poor choice in how they live their life?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:19 pm to
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Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.” Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.


Genetic risk for heart disease can be the exact same for identical twins yet because of their environment they can have very different risk factors for heart attack.

Why would this be any different? It's not rare at all for genetic predisposition to require the appropriate environment for expression.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:25 pm to
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So, studies published by a preacher invalidates it?

Do a search. I am not validating the study, but it seems odd that your dismissing it because a preacher published it is pretty odd, too.


Isn't this exactly why you guys shite on climate science?

Because it's done by climate scientists who shockingly enough are invested in climatology?
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
8060 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:26 pm to
As a Christian, I believe it is metaphysical. We are all born into sin, and just like we get different gifts of the Holy Spirit, we get different sins that tempt us each as individuals. My temptation might be lying, whereas someone else has the temptation of violence, or even homosexuality.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24102 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:27 pm to
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Isn't this exactly why you guys shite on climate science?

Because it's done by climate scientists who shockingly enough are invested in climatology?


Right, and if a Harvard study comes out that contradicts this, its dismissible because there is a 0.0 % chance someone at Harvard is putting out a study that hampers this social cause.

Science is partisan.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42856 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:34 pm to
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I stopped caring about your opinions a long time ago


Obviously.

I love how your story with your "twin" changed after your gotcha moment was torn to shreds.

This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:35 pm to
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Should have specified I'm a fraternal twin, so no this study does not relate to me.

-Did your mother take anything to enhance fertility?
-Are you the 2nd born?
-Is you twin the same or opposite sex?
-If the same sex is there a noted physical size difference (height, weight)?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45784 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:36 pm to
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Honestly why does it matter?
It matters because homosexuals who don't want to give up homosexuality because it is immoral want to cling to genetics to say that they don't have a choice. I might not have a choice that I find a coworker, neighbor, or some random woman on the street attractive, but I have a choice not to cheat on my wife with them.

Being the "best" (by what standard?) version of yourself sounds great but it won't be good enough on judgment day. Homosexual or not, all people need to repent of their sins and put their hope and faith in Jesus Christ to save them from the penalty of their sins. I urge you to repent of your sin and believe in Jesus' atoning work on the cross to save you.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42856 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Isn't this exactly why you guys shite on climate science?

Because it's done by climate scientists who shockingly enough are invested in climatology?


The pastor didn't conduct the research you big dummy.

Did you bring in your shoebox for the Mardi Gras floats you'll be making in class next semester?
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
1871 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:43 pm to
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Obviously. I love how your story with your "twin" changed after your gotcha moment was town to shreds.


Excuse me? You're reading comprehension must be lacking because I said I have a twin, then clarified that I have a fraternal twin and not identical. I'm assuming I better define fraternal twin for you. Fraternal twins come from 2 eggs, as opposed to identical who come from 1 egg. This means fraternal twins do not have identical DNA.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42856 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Excuse me?


Nah
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You're reading comprehension must be lacking because I said I have a twin, then clarified that I have a fraternal twin and not identical.


No it's apparent your comprehension is lacking.

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. Fraternal twins come from 2 eggs, as opposed to identical who come from 1 egg. This means fraternal twins do not have identical DNA.


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Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
1871 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:48 pm to
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It matters because homosexuals who don't want to give up homosexuality because it is immoral want to cling to genetics to say that they don't have a choice. I might not have a choice that I find a coworker, neighbor, or some random woman on the street attractive, but I have a choice not to cheat on my wife with them. Being the "best" (by what standard?) version of yourself sounds great but it won't be good enough on judgment day. Homosexual or not, all people need to repent of their sins and put their hope and faith in Jesus Christ to save them from the penalty of their sins. I urge you to repent of your sin and believe in Jesus' atoning work on the cross to save you.


I understand why you think this way, I just happen to not agree with your way of thinking. I'm not religious anymore, but I used to be so I can see from your point of view. You don't have to worry about me being "saved" or whatever, I don't believe in Hell. Heaven, sure that's plausible but I think "heaven" is a relative term. This world is too much of a messed up place for me to be athiest. I think earth is our starting place but heaven is the endpoint. I believe everyone goes to heaven though, as unfair as it may seem to our human minds. I guess we'll see.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42856 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:48 pm to
Tell me how you were attracted to men at the age of 4, since you ALWAYS knew you were.

Sexual attraction happens at puberty doesn't it?

Yet you always knew? Smh
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:48 pm to
Homosexuality is gods way of dealing with world wide overpopulation.
He's got the whole world in his hands

Stop fighting other people over personal choice.
And no, i never once.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42856 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:51 pm to
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Homosexuality is gods way of dealing with world wide overpopulation. He's got the whole world in his hands Stop fighting other people over personal choice. And no, i never once.


I could give two shits who is gay and what you do in your bedroom.

This is my point of this thread though. The fact that science doesn't prove your stupid agenda it just goes to show another issue the left has politicized.

So, carry on and berate those of us who just want the Science cleared up!
Posted by IdahoTiger
San Diego, CA
Member since Dec 2007
1871 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:52 pm to
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Tell me how you were attracted to men at the age of 4, since you ALWAYS knew you were. Sexual attraction happens at puberty doesn't it? Yet you always knew? Smh


Of course I didn't know I was gay at age 4, just like you didn't know you were straight at age 4. I thought that was assumed but I see you take a lot of explaining.
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