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re: History: French Revolution
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:39 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:39 pm to Antonio Moss
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In the US, the commoners worship the nobility.
We worship the bourgeois elite, rich but culturally middle class people, who run the country, people like Biden, or Obama.
We did have a nobility at one point - people like Jefferson and Washington. But they are long since gone.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
My life is pretty good here in the US. Hard pass on revolution.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:48 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Only non-violent solutions or ideas, please. I don't want this thread pulled.
We GoT tO vOtE foR da RePuBLiCaNs iN 2022! We'Ll GeT eM nExT tImE! ThEy CaNt ChEaT TwIcE CuZ tHeY kNoW wE'rE oNtO eM!
Start by petitioning your local Sheriff and local government, get them on your side and establish Sanctuary Towns
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:50 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Well they did a little better job of storming the bastille than we did.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:54 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Do we have any of the same conditions that led to that horrific revolution?
No starving population but a bunch of fat entitled people.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:02 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We worship the bourgeois elite, rich but culturally middle class people, who run the country, people like Biden, or Obama.
Joe Biden has never held a real job in his life and despite an incredibly underwhelming education, has held federal office for over 40 years in which is has enriched himself and his family to the tune of millions of dollars of tax revenue despite not really accomplishing anything of note.
That’s basically European nobility minus the legal recognition.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:16 pm to GhostOfFreedom
We have every one of those plus some. And those elected officials in DC know it. That is why Jan 6th scared the shite out of them! They are coming after conservative, red state America with a vengeance.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:20 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Do we have any of the same conditions that led to that horrific revolution?
- officials that do anything they want
- no real representation
- constant lies being told to the populous
- censorship
This gets you a "D-" on the question of the causes of the French revolution. The big issue in pre-revolution France were:
- that the second estate and the clergy didn't pay taxes at all - the poor and the bourgeoisie paid for everything.
- a bad famine and a lack of government support to the people starving as a result
- resentfulness of paying for the lifestyle upkeep of the crown.
Which is all to say, if you want to argue for overthrowing the United States government, you probably want to look to one of the many, many, many other revolutions throughout history for a better analogue.
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If so, how can it be avoided?
Only non-violent solutions or ideas, please. I don't want this thread pulled.
Some conservative ideas are pretty popular in many parts of the US. Don't nominate a narcissistic sociopath next time and I'm sure you'll guys will be fine.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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That’s basically European nobility minus the legal recognition.
No
The nobility come from the warrior caste, and have a sense of virtue and duty. It's their culture.
The Spanish nobility defeated Communism in Spain for example.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:10 pm to GhostOfFreedom
We have one condition they didn’t: pussies
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:27 am to Lima Whiskey
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No
The nobility come from the warrior caste, and have a sense of virtue and duty. It's their culture.
Your knowledge of French history is underwhelming to say the least. in the late 18th century, there were two main classes of nobility - noblesse d' pere (nobility of the sword) and noblesse de robe (nobility of the robe). The latter class were government officials who purchased their nobility through the crown and then made annual payments to the crown to make the position hereditary - thus ensuring generational wealthy through tax revenue. Basically your standard corrupt kickback scheme. There were over 100,000 of these positions created between 1700-1789.
So, yes, a modern day U.S. official who has been in government for four decades and made millions via a flowthrough corruption scheme is akin to French nobility in the 18th century.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:42 am to the808bass
We won’t survive a revolution of any kind when global faith in the USD as a reserve currency disappears. Probably Happening anyways.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:41 am to Antonio Moss
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basically European nobility
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akin to French nobility in the 18th century
Do you see how imprecise you’re being with your language?
In your first post you’re talking about the nobility of the whole continent, and in your next post, you’re talking about 18th century France, and a caste of bourgeois who purchased titles from the state.
And then you conclude by using the word nobility to describe both the people who paid for their titles, and the actual nobility, when, as you’ve said, they were very different.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:45 am to GhostOfFreedom
Time to throw some tea in the water baby.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:51 am to Lima Whiskey
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Do you see how imprecise you’re being with your language?
Is France not a European nation?
A French nobleman quite literally is a European nobleman.
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At one point you’re talking about the nobility of the whole continent, and in your next post, you’re talking about 18th century France, and a caste of bourgeois who purchased titles from the state.
And you want to accuse others of sloppy language?
These noblemen and their ancestors may have been former members of the Bourgeois but were 100% within the Second Estate by the time 1789 rolled around.
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And then you conclude by using the word nobility to describe both the people who paid for their titles, and the actual nobility, when, as you’ve said, they were very different.
Both were nobility. Both were verified members of the Second Estate that were granted rights and privileges of the Second Estate and elected representatives to represent the interests of the Second Estate in the Estates-General. There were six subgroups of nobility in the Second Estate but these two were the largest. Traditional nobility is different than "actual" nobility.
There were subgroups in the First Estate as well but we still consider them all members of the First Estate.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:06 am to Antonio Moss
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Is France not a European nation?
A French nobleman quite literally is a European nobleman.
Let me walk you through it
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has held federal office for over 40 years in which is has enriched himself and his family to the tune of millions of dollars of tax revenue despite not really accomplishing anything of note.
That’s basically European nobility minus the legal recognition.
If I follow your logic, when you say European nobility, you actually mean French nobility, minus the warriors, and you specifically mean rich people who purchased titles, who are corrupt and did nothing?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:00 am to Lima Whiskey
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If I follow your logic, when you say European nobility, you actually mean French nobility, minus the warriors, and you specifically mean rich people who purchased titles, who are corrupt and did nothing?
At no point did I exclude this part of the nobility. Now, by the 18th Century, they were no longer the Knight Class having been replaced by professional militaries. But, yes, their ancestors were the Knight Class - hence the title noblesse d'pere. They were the "traditional" nobility but the nobility had expanded past just this single social class to encompass other subgroups.
So again, a person of Biden's history and status would be nearly akin to a member of the French nobility in 1789 (minus, of course, the legal recognition of a separate status of people). The de facto American nobility.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:42 am to Antonio Moss
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they were no longer the Knight Class having been replaced by professional militaries
And the officers were, the nobles.
The nobility continued to lead the officer class even through the 20th century.
They survived and retained their influence, partly because of tradition, but also because they continued to serve an important role in French society.
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So again, a person of Biden's history and status would be nearly akin to a member of the French nobility in 1789 (minus, of course, the legal recognition of a separate status of people). The de facto American nobility.
Biden he more in common with Trotsky, than he does with an 18th century French noble.
Class is a form of tribalism. And each class has a distinct language, rules of etiquette, and values system.
The middle class is very job driven. Status comes from what you do, not who you are. The middle class also defines the world in terms of income. What you make defines your place in society.
That’s not how the upper class, and especially a hereditary nobility, think.
Status comes from birth, money is tawdry, and jobs are obligations. Being a soldier is always an honest choice, but managing your lands is also fine and respectable. Taste is paramount.
That’s not Biden.
Biden is just rich middle class person.
He comes from a humble background, and he’s spent his entire life chasing money, and job titles. And he’s specifically used political office to enrich himself, through influence peddling schemes.
If you sat him down next to a French noble, they would see a merchant, because he has the money driven values of a shop keeper.
In the Hindu class system Biden would be a Vaishya.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:48 am to GhostOfFreedom
Nancy Pelosi is a career public servant worth hundreds of millions. She was on TV brazenly interviewed in front of her $40k refrigerators stocked with ice cream that cost more than many people make all week.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:51 am to tigerpimpbot
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We basically also even have a Committee of Public Safety.
...and what happened its leader?
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