I think you are making some seriously flawed assumptions.

First of all, you assume as fact what you think someone might be thinking about something. That's pretty omniscient of you!

Second of all, it's quite possible that someone can believe with all their heart that a certain course of action is right and true, yet realize how impossible it is for them to follow perfectly. This is, again, the guilt trip that non-believers and Satan lay on believers. "How can you say you really believe in something when you can't follow it perfectly." The ultimate guilt trip!

Third, there is no cognitive dissonance in the mind of believers about what the world looks like and what it should look like. We know that this world is headed for destruction. Only nature worshippers and non-believers think they can save it with their intelligence and human will. We are not here to save the world, we are here to be God's instruments to help save those souls who will be saved.

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Posted by Dawgirl

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Posted on 4/28/21 at 7:56 pm to Roger Klarvin

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They didn’t need to be, that’s the beauty of physics

While physics is known, those physicists were not alive during the so called big bang therefore, their assumptions are only in theory.

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Explain nothing

Again, refer to the Book of Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

John Chapter 1 v 1-4:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

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Posted by FooManChoo

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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:29 pm to Roger Klarvin

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In as much as any other religious text is, sure. The issue is the Bible is open to the same criticisms Christians levy at the Koran, the Vedas, the Book of Mormon, etc. They just don’t apply these criticisms to their own text.

I'm happy to look at supposed contradictions and inaccuracies as described by folks like yourself; I've done it for years.

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The Koran is a notoriously unreliable historical text, for example, because some of the events it describes objectively did not happen. Christians are more than willing to point this out. The same is true of the Bible however, particularly the OT. It describes events we know simply didn’t happen.

Please be kind to provide such examples. Historians for years have agreed that the Bible is a reliable historical text.

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Posted by Dawgirl

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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:44 pm to Roger Klarvin

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The same is true of the Bible however, particularly the OT. It describes events we know simply didn’t happen.

You are wrong. It has been historically proven that those events did happen. The Romans kept meticulous records. If you research history other than what atheists say you will see that history has proven that Jesus did walk this Earth (there were hundreds of witnesses that attested to it). You just need open your mind about such things.

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Posted by Gravitiger

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Posted on 4/29/21 at 3:47 pm to Tigerinthewoods

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This is the ultimate argument that Satan (and atheists) pose to a Christian. "You can't abide by His teachings, it's an impossible task." This argument paralyzes Christians and fills them with guilt. It reinforces the idea that you are saved by works and not by faith. This causes young Christians to step out on their own, and by their own power to try to be like Christ. They fail and the cycle is complete. Satan, (and his atheistic friends) are successful in discouraging/deflating young Christians.

Yeah, that’s literally what I said. You don't have to 100% live by Jesus' teachings to be considered a true Christian. Being a true Christian has nothing to do with works. It's a simple question of faith.

Acting like Christ is different than being a Christian (unfortunately, because if everyone acted like him, the world would be awesome, regardless of what anyone believes). Most atheists I know act more Christ-like than most Christians I know (see, e.g., this thread).

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Posted by BestBanker

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Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:40 am to Mo Jeaux

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Right. So in condemning others, the poster (and maybe you, if you do the same) are usurping Jesus' role. Sounds sacrilegious to me.

I agree. I do not condemn others to a life without the Lord. I cannot usurp His authority.

If you've ever heard one of the most popularly quoted lines of scripture, that is John 3:16,

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For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

most people stop there.

In the next lines of text, He says the God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but to save it through Him, and that those that believe Him are not judged; the ones who do not believe in Him are already judged because they do not believe that Jesus is the Son.

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