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re: Harris: Trump+1 over Biden - Trump+48 over Desantis
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:01 pm to jbdawgs03
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:01 pm to jbdawgs03
There you go again. You left off another one out today - wonder why?
General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Quinnipiac
Trump 46, Biden 47
Biden +1
... again, since you love those national polls did not want you to miss one.
Quinnipiac Poll at TOP of the List
General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Quinnipiac
Trump 46, Biden 47
Biden +1
... again, since you love those national polls did not want you to miss one.
Quinnipiac Poll at TOP of the List
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:02 pm to moneyg
quote:I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats.
It’s the best way to judge change in opinion over time. Trump has trended up.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:02 pm to jbdawgs03
And another out today that you missed - third one down.
General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Economist/YouGov
Trump 43, Biden 44
Biden +1
General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Economist/YouGov
Trump 43, Biden 44
Biden +1
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:04 pm to jbdawgs03
Actually - to my knowledge - that has not been another head to head poll between Biden and Haley. So, not sure what you are so excited about.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:17 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats.
When you say collective opinion, you mean will of the voters?
I disagree. I think the will of the voters is the only thing that matters.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:28 pm to IronMikeD
What did the R nomination look like in that poll? :)
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:38 pm to jbdawgs03
The poll you might want to watch out for to post is Newsome vs Youngkin. The nominations are long from being over.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:41 pm to IronMikeD
Hahaha you jumping from Haley to Youngkin that quick?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:48 pm to jbdawgs03
You are really hung up one that ONE poll that showed Haley would do better than the other candidates vs Biden. It really didn't surprise me because her abortion position is the right one on a national level if you want to win. Some on here apparently care less about winning - but that is a different topic.
Hopefully I won't have to vote for Haley, but she would be an easy choice over Biden - Harris. And I believe Haley might do a better job than Trump re the DC spending.
I think there is a pretty good chance Youngkin gets in the race in November. By that time, a couple more candidates could be out of the race. Youngkin ran a great campaign in VA and appears to be governing conservatively.
The chances that Biden will be the nominee are very low. Don't see he DNC allowing him to go into the race. I think Newsome will be the DEM nominee in the end.
Hopefully I won't have to vote for Haley, but she would be an easy choice over Biden - Harris. And I believe Haley might do a better job than Trump re the DC spending.
I think there is a pretty good chance Youngkin gets in the race in November. By that time, a couple more candidates could be out of the race. Youngkin ran a great campaign in VA and appears to be governing conservatively.
The chances that Biden will be the nominee are very low. Don't see he DNC allowing him to go into the race. I think Newsome will be the DEM nominee in the end.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:53 pm to Breaux
quote:The YouGov poll is extremely slanted as the poll respondants are only 19% represented by parents of children, whereas in 2021, about 40.02 percent of all family households in the United States had their own children under age 18 living in the household. This is compared to the approximate 50.54 percent of female led households with their own children.
Yougov and quinnipiac have Biden over trump
They are deliberately targeting the childless households. If you went to households with children, where the Biden economic policies have hurt the most, the results of the YouGov poll would be drastically different.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:26 pm to HubbaBubba
Over a year now until the general. And some are suggesting the incumbent candidate will be actually running for office? Have these folks kept up with things outside of the MSM spin?
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:48 am to AquaAg84
Guess not
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:09 am to moneyg
quote:Maybe you haven’t head this.. but we don’t elect Presidents by popular vote. By your definition the “will of the voters” in 2020 was to elect Hillary Cli ton president.
When you say collective opinion, you mean will of the voters?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:11 am to IronMikeD
quote:
General Election: Trump vs. Biden
Quinnipiac
Trump 46, Biden 47
Biden +1
You act like this is a bad poll for orange
Such clowns
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:11 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Maybe you haven’t head this.. but we don’t elect Presidents by popular vote. By your definition the “will of the voters” in 2020 was to elect Hillary Cli ton president.
Not at all. I’m referring to the will of the voters via the independent state primaries and associated electors.
You seemed to be saying you didn’t care about that.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:40 am to moneyg
quote:National polling doesn’t tell you anything about individual states. You’re trying to brush your teeth with a table chair.
I’m referring to the will of the voters via the independent state primaries and associated electors.
quote:I thought i made that pretty clear when i wrote:
You seemed to be saying you didn’t care about that.
quote:
I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:12 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
National polling doesn’t tell you anything about individual states. You’re trying to brush your teeth with a table chair.
National polling over time shows a trend in sentiment and it's meaningful. Also, in practicality, a Republican winning the national vote is almost a guarantee to win the electoral vote. You can't see the forest through the trees.
quote:
I thought i made that pretty clear when i wrote:
I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats.
That sounds like you are saying you don't care about the primary results...but instead think unilaterally deciding a different candidate should be selected because you want to beat Democrats. Of course, that's been the mantra of Desantis supporters all along. And, of course, it matches the behavior of the GOPe which is literally trying to keep the favorite from being eligible to run.
Please clarify if I'm wrong. But, it sounds like you want there to be control of the nominee outside of the will of Republican voters.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:47 am to moneyg
quote:Nope. It's entirely possible to win the popular vote and lose the election. Not sure why you're struggling with that.
National polling over time shows a trend in sentiment and it's meaningful.
quote:Not if said Republican can't win the swing states.
Also, in practicality, a Republican winning the national vote is almost a guarantee to win the electoral vote.
quote:National popular vote doesn't tell you anything about the primaries, either. Most of the Republican primaries (esp. the early ones) are winner-take-all as well. It's the very reason a big field favors Trump.
That sounds like you are saying you don't care about the primary results..
quote:Where the hell did you get that from? DaFuq?
Please clarify if I'm wrong. But, it sounds like you want there to be control of the nominee outside of the will of Republican voters.
I haven't said one word about how I want elections conducted. I'm just telling you national popularity voting means almost nothing for who gets elected.
Hell, I'd even tell you that about state-level polling in most swing states. For example in NV, a random sampling of state residents will always show the Republican ahead. But in reality, only two counties in the state matter. WI and GA are similar, though not quite as extreme. It's why republicans always get their hopes up only be dashed. Every damn cycle.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:05 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Nope. It's entirely possible to win the popular vote and lose the election. Not sure why you're struggling with that.
I'm not struggling with that. It has happened very recently. Of course, it's happened in the other direction. A rational, practical look at the landscape shows that a Republican winning the national vote bodes very well for said Republican winning the electoral count.
quote:
Not if said Republican can't win the swing states.
Again, while technically possible, show me a swing state where the Republican would win the national popular vote and not win that state. I don't think you can show that unless you are counting on election fraud...in which case the entire conversation is moot.
quote:
National popular vote doesn't tell you anything about the primaries, either. Most of the Republican primaries (esp. the early ones) are winner-take-all as well. It's the very reason a big field favors Trump.
You seem like a single variable thinker. Obviously, a quality state poll will tell you more about that state than the national poll. That doesn't mean national polls don't tell you anything.
quote:
Where the hell did you get that from? DaFuq?
When you said "I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats."
Those were your words. And, they align with the GOPe and the actions of the candidate you support.
I believe Trump is what we need. I sure as hell would never try to find avenues outside of convincing people to vote to ensure it. The people should decide. You aren't paying attention. The party is working to prevent the people from choosing their candidate.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:17 pm to moneyg
quote:Not at +1 +/- MOE.
A rational, practical look at the landscape shows that a Republican winning the national vote bodes very well for said Republican winning the electoral count.
quote:That's a 50 degree of freedom analysis. Care to take a stab at how many possible outcomes come from that?
show me a swing state where the Republican would win the national popular vote and not win that state
quote:I haven't said anything about election fraud. I just know math. See above.
I don't think you can show that unless you are counting on election fraud..
quote:Huh? No. Opposite. YOU are the one projecting popular vote into the results in 50 states.
You seem like a single variable thinker.
quote:What the hell does that do with changing the way voting takes place?
When you said "I don't really care about collective "opinion". I want to defeat democrats."
quote:Tell me... what candidate do I "support", sport?
Those were your words. And, they align with the GOPe and the actions of the candidate you support.
quote:That's nice.
I believe Trump is what we need.
quote:Who has suggested otherwise?
I sure as hell would never try to find avenues outside of convincing people to vote to ensure it. The people should decide.
quote:What does that have to do with national polling being non-useful for election projections?
You aren't paying attention. The party is working to prevent the people from choosing their candidate.
I have no idea what you're arguing about or thinking my position is. Do you have me confused with someone else? This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:18 pm
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