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re: Gun Store Owner Refuses to Transfer Firearm to Antifa Supporter

Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:03 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110930 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:03 am to
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If you can’t see how this will be used against conservatives and Christians you are blind.


How will it be "used against" them?


THIS is where all the leftist filth want to embrace the 'muh slippery slope' argument. It's all too rich.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:05 am to
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THIS is where all the leftist filth want to embrace the 'muh slippery slope' argument. It's all too rich.


Explain it, lib.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19838 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:06 am to
"If Antifa guy passes all requirements, give the man his gun."

So you're in favor of allowing anyone to have a firearm? Criminals? Emotionally unstable people? Terrorists?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110930 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:07 am to
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Explain it, lib.



Do you think I was talking about you there?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:09 am to
Were you talking about bird35?
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10768 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:10 am to
Dude you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I was an FFL holder. I had a guy ship me a gun he bought offline. He did not pass the background check. The gun was shipped back to the place he bought it from. Just because you "bought" it doesn't mean you get to possess it.

Also the ATF agent told me when he did his initial inspection that I had the right to refuse any sale and I was supposed to look for suspicious people trying to obtain a gun. If I sold them a gun I could be liable.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110930 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:11 am to
I was talking about anyone trying to invoke the slippery slope argument here. Mostly the guy who started it, but anyone else joining in with him on such silliness, sure. Lib? Simmer down.
Posted by Elblancodiablo
Member since Sep 2023
1829 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:13 am to
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So you have an issue with the 2nd Amendment

That's what you gathered from my post?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:13 am to
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I was talking about anyone trying to invoke the slippery slope argument here.


Pretty sure that dude isn't "leftist filth."

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Lib? Simmer down.


Don't act like one.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110930 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:14 am to
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Don't act like one.


Never have, I don't think.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5616 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:34 am to
I'm sure it'll be worked out in court, but the ATF when they give out a license to deal firearms have specific callouts that allow the dealer to decline the sale or transfer of a firearm at their discretion without repercussions, even if the individual passes all required background checks.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33601 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:54 am to
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but the ATF when they give out a license to deal firearms have specific callouts that allow the dealer to decline the sale or transfer of a firearm at their discretion without repercussions, even if the individual passes all required background checks.
Exactly.

You have to give FFL holders the leeway to deny applicants based on their observations and the behavior of the applicant.

If you suspect someone is mentally ill, you shouldn’t be forced to allow the transfer.

And anyone affiliated with Antifa is definitely mentally ill.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 9:55 am
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17467 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 10:22 am to
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If you can’t see how this will be used against conservatives and Christians you are blind.


Ummmm.. can’t see? They perfected it. Bake the cake or be ruined?? Do that wedding or be ruined?? Use my pronouns or be fired?? Take that Bible off your desk or be fired??
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 10:24 am
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28531 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 10:34 am to
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Honestly I’m surprised there is antifa there. Eugene is about 90 minutes away and I would expect them there with the college being there. Florence is a sleepy small town outside of summer when they get vacationers.




Giving the shop owner an Antifa business card strongly suggests that the customer was looking to provoke an incident and probably an eventual lawsuit. They might have had to buy and ship guns to multiple dealers before one refused.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76447 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 10:37 am to
Agree. They were poking the bear. Why does anticrap show a business card to a gun shop?
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
6578 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:02 am to
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As great as it is to give them a dose of their own medicine, 2nd Amendment still reads "Shall not be infringed"


I'm not a hypocrite, so I agree with this statement 100%. If that dumbass hasn't broken any laws that would prohibit him from legally purchasing a firearm then I see no reason to keep it from him. What if the tables were turned and it was a gun dealer that refused to either do are approve a background check because the gun buyer was wearing a MAGA hat?
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28531 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:05 am to
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What if the tables were turned and it was a gun dealer that refused to either do are approve a background check because the gun buyer was wearing a MAGA hat?



In theory, I fully support a business owner's right to do business, or not, with whomever he chooses. As a practical matter, how many leftwing gun store owners are out there?
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:10 am to
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Sorry, I don’t judge who gets to avail themselves of constitutional rights by what politics they prefer.
He may have a Constitutional right to own a firearm, but a shop owner has no Constitutional (or even statutory) OBLIGATION to sell him one (unless AntiFa membership is a protected class).

This case is more complex, because the shop owner is not the seller, and he may have been contractually-obligated to complete the transaction that had already been initiated by the willing buyer and willing seller, with him serving as little more than an agent for that seller.
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:13 am to
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As great as it is to give them a dose of their own medicine, 2nd Amendment still reads "Shall not be infringed"
I'm not a hypocrite, so I agree with this statement 100%. If that dumbass hasn't broken any laws that would prohibit him from legally purchasing a firearm then I see no reason to keep it from him. What if the tables were turned and it was a gun dealer that refused to either do are approve a background check because the gun buyer was wearing a MAGA hat?
That too would be the shop owner's right, so long as political affiliation is not a "protected class."
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299366 posts
Posted on 10/25/23 at 11:13 am to
I certainly am not going around handing out business cards expressing my loyalty to some extremist group that I understand will cause some reactions.

I would expect blowback. I'm a normal person who understands these things, not sure why this person is surprised, my guess is that it was a setup.
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