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re: Gun rights don't come from the second amendment

Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14681 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to
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Gun ownership is ordained by God?



Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happyness. The right to keep and bear arms involves all three. So, the answer to your question is no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.

Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.

Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
5916 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to
When the shite goes down, I bet my rifle and that of the SC Guardsman and the US Soldier are going to be pointed in the same direction.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31350 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:04 pm to
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Happyness


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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.


Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14681 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:09 pm to
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Happyness


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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.



Know how I know you've never read the Constitution or Declaration of Independence?

There is a rule about holes you probably should familiarize yourself with.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:41 pm to
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no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.


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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.


Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:51 pm to
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Except the government could still step on your throat without batting an eye if it really wanted to. Your AR ain't gonna stop tanks or missiles.


You think they are going to steam roll their population with tanks and missiles?

An armed population prevents them from enacting extremly unpopular legislation against the will of the people..

Say for instance they were tired of conservative generations and decided children were to be taken by the state at 7, educated, then released back to the parents [full time] at 13.
Good fricking luck pulling that off with an armed population. If only the police or the feds had firearms it would probably come to pass.

Anything extreme they want to enact better be pretty important to them, because it will be exponentially more difficult to enforce on an armed population. If tanks and missiles are the only way to pull it off they are far less likely to try
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 5:57 pm
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
23804 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:54 pm to
These guys say otherwise

LINK
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31350 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:55 pm to
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An armed population prevents them from enacting extremly unpopular legislation against the will of the people..



No it doesn’t. They already do (CAF) and no one is doing shite about it. The powers that Be want you to have your guns so that you still keep thinking that your in control somehow which only serves to tighten their grip.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:55 pm to
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You think they are going to steam roll their population with tanks and missiles?


They'll have tigerdroppings helping them.

Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:01 pm to
What is CAF?

And obviously people aren’t willing to kill and risk their lives for everything they don’t agree with, but government would absolutely have to be more cautious in regards to enacting extreme change (against the people’s will) when their population is armed.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:02 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31350 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:02 pm to
Civil asset forfeiture
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49153 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:05 pm to
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Why do you hate the declaration?


As someone who is a strong advocate of the second amendment, the DOI does not hold that every right is a natural right.

Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:10 pm to
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Civil asset forfeiture


Gotcha

I see your point here, but the fact that it relates to criminal activity makes the population as a whole feel unaffected imo.

I think a widespread attempt to seize personal property from citizens as a whole is far less likely in a country with 300+ million guns floating around. At least by force, it could be done over time politically which still somewhat limits the governments power
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:11 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31350 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:20 pm to
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but the fact that it relates to criminal activity



See that’s the thing though...
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:22 pm to
I’m not arguing for it, saying it can make the population as a whole feel unaffected. Of course it can be abused

They have to tread lightly. More so than if governing a disarmed population
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14681 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:53 pm to
Feel free to start a thread stating that defending your life and liberty isn't ordained by God. See how it goes.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31350 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:14 pm to
It would be roughly 50/50 upvotes and downvotes (maybe a bit more downvotes) split along the lines of those who believe in a dirty and those who don’t.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39073 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:18 pm to
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The Second Amendment, like the First Amendment, doesn’t give anyone any rights.


Which is all true. As George Carlin famously said, "we don't have rights, we have temporary priviliges and whenever the government wants to take them away, they take them away."

Search and Seizure, warrantless searches by the millions, martial law...Japenese Internment Camps, Ruby Ridge...etc.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49153 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:20 pm to
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Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happyness. The right to keep and bear arms involves all three. So, the answer to your question is no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.


According to this line of thinking, just about everything is a natural right.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8195 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:28 pm to
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The British government also thought their soldiers could beat farmers.




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