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re: Gun rights don't come from the second amendment
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Gun ownership is ordained by God?
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happyness. The right to keep and bear arms involves all three. So, the answer to your question is no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.
Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:02 pm to JuiceTerry
When the shite goes down, I bet my rifle and that of the SC Guardsman and the US Soldier are going to be pointed in the same direction.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:04 pm to troyt37
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Happyness
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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 4:09 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Happyness
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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.
Know how I know you've never read the Constitution or Declaration of Independence?
There is a rule about holes you probably should familiarize yourself with.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:41 pm to troyt37
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no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.
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Another ignorant comment from someone who thinks they're smart.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:51 pm to JuiceTerry
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Except the government could still step on your throat without batting an eye if it really wanted to. Your AR ain't gonna stop tanks or missiles.
You think they are going to steam roll their population with tanks and missiles?
An armed population prevents them from enacting extremly unpopular legislation against the will of the people..
Say for instance they were tired of conservative generations and decided children were to be taken by the state at 7, educated, then released back to the parents [full time] at 13.
Good fricking luck pulling that off with an armed population. If only the police or the feds had firearms it would probably come to pass.
Anything extreme they want to enact better be pretty important to them, because it will be exponentially more difficult to enforce on an armed population. If tanks and missiles are the only way to pull it off they are far less likely to try
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:54 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:55 pm to Lsuchs
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An armed population prevents them from enacting extremly unpopular legislation against the will of the people..
No it doesn’t. They already do (CAF) and no one is doing shite about it. The powers that Be want you to have your guns so that you still keep thinking that your in control somehow which only serves to tighten their grip.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:55 pm to Lsuchs
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You think they are going to steam roll their population with tanks and missiles?
They'll have tigerdroppings helping them.

Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
What is CAF?
And obviously people aren’t willing to kill and risk their lives for everything they don’t agree with, but government would absolutely have to be more cautious in regards to enacting extreme change (against the people’s will) when their population is armed.
And obviously people aren’t willing to kill and risk their lives for everything they don’t agree with, but government would absolutely have to be more cautious in regards to enacting extreme change (against the people’s will) when their population is armed.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:05 pm to jamboybarry
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Why do you hate the declaration?
As someone who is a strong advocate of the second amendment, the DOI does not hold that every right is a natural right.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:10 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Civil asset forfeiture
Gotcha
I see your point here, but the fact that it relates to criminal activity makes the population as a whole feel unaffected imo.
I think a widespread attempt to seize personal property from citizens as a whole is far less likely in a country with 300+ million guns floating around. At least by force, it could be done over time politically which still somewhat limits the governments power
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:20 pm to Lsuchs
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but the fact that it relates to criminal activity
See that’s the thing though...
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:22 pm to DavidTheGnome
I’m not arguing for it, saying it can make the population as a whole feel unaffected. Of course it can be abused
They have to tread lightly. More so than if governing a disarmed population
They have to tread lightly. More so than if governing a disarmed population
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 6:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Feel free to start a thread stating that defending your life and liberty isn't ordained by God. See how it goes.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:14 pm to troyt37
It would be roughly 50/50 upvotes and downvotes (maybe a bit more downvotes) split along the lines of those who believe in a dirty and those who don’t.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:18 pm to Revelator
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The Second Amendment, like the First Amendment, doesn’t give anyone any rights.
Which is all true. As George Carlin famously said, "we don't have rights, we have temporary priviliges and whenever the government wants to take them away, they take them away."
Search and Seizure, warrantless searches by the millions, martial law...Japenese Internment Camps, Ruby Ridge...etc.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:20 pm to troyt37
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Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happyness. The right to keep and bear arms involves all three. So, the answer to your question is no, gun ownership isn't ordained by God, but the right to own guns certainly is.
According to this line of thinking, just about everything is a natural right.
Posted on 3/11/18 at 7:28 pm to Revelator
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The British government also thought their soldiers could beat farmers.
This.
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