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re: Great message on abortion

Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by financetiger38
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:19 pm to
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Ronbots arent serious about winning elections

Bingo. Their greatest desire is to sit at home on their high horse and say “I told you so”
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 pm to

If it is under 30 weeks, there is no way it is a person in the first place.

This accounts for almost all abortions.

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Nearly all abortions in 2020 took place early in gestation: 93.1% of abortions were performed at =13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (5.8%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (0.9%) were performed at =21 weeks’ gestation



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You know how many times a doctor aborts a baby because the health of the mother? The answer is 0%.



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Yes, there are absolutely certain medical conditions that warrant us to very urgently encourage a woman to have an abortion,” said Stacey Beck, MD and Assistant Professor at the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, Maternal Fetal Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Physicians

“One of the most common reasons I help women to terminate their pregnancy is because their water is broke [early in pregnancy] and they have an infection,” Beck said.




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If there’s a clear sign of infection, the condition can be life threatening, “because there is an extremely high risk that the infection inside of the uterus spreads very quickly into her bloodstream and she becomes septic. If she continues the pregnancy it comes at a very high risk of death.”

“Typically, if a woman breaks her water before 20 weeks into her pregnancy, it is usually strongly recommended by medical professionals that she considers an abortion,” Beck said.




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A placental abruption, which is when the placenta starts to separate from the uterus, is another condition that could fatally impact a pregnant women’s life. It is “uncommon yet a serious condition,” the Cleveland Clinic states ( here ).

In a “small percentage of abruptions,” Beck said, if a woman is bleeding so heavily that she can go into hemorrhagic shock, “then we would also recommend a very urgent termination of pregnancy or abortion as a life saving measure for the mom, in order to prevent her bleeding to death.”

Another condition in which staying pregnant comes at a very high risk of death for the mother is preeclampsia early in pregnancy (less than 24 weeks), 




You are ignorant to this so you shouldn't have an opinion and expecting a 12 year old to birth and raise a child from her step-dad raping her is beyond fricked up.
Posted by Lickitty Split
Inside
Member since Apr 2017
4148 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:30 pm to
You are absolutely wrong. Babies are born well before 30 weeks and live normal healthy lives. So all these people aren’t persons in your book? When do they become a person if they are born 27th week? You can kill them those three weeks and it doesn’t matter?

You’re cool with chopping up babies inside of women and sucking out their brains?

Abortion is selfish and murder. You are killing another human being. If you’re cool with killing another human being who has done zero negative in the world then god have mercy on your soul.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:35 pm to
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So all these people aren’t persons in your book?


I already clearly stated the answer to this in my first post but you apparently are illiterate. It was the primary point so there is no way you could have missed it otherwise.

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You are killing another human being.


Again, already showed why that is not the case.

Also noticed how you didn't want to argue about the medical community confirming that abortions are in fact sometimes necessary to save the mother's life.

Since you got checked there hard, maybe you should consider that everything else you believe about this is also wrong.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61815 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:57 pm to
I recently watched a Video on the psychology behind taking the average German soldier and turning them from a solder into killing machines in a mass genocide of civilians. The things people used as excuses were varying, but the one common denominator amongst them all was choosing conformity rather than a moral standard and accountability for their actions that would simply not allow them to do such a thing. They thought of what they had to go through, but never what they victim went through that they killed. It was only about them, always them and their sad story put upon them by others.

And so it is with the mass genocide of killing children in the abortion industry. Lots of excuses, and none of them justifiable in taking the life of a child. You can rationalize and justify anything you like if you choose to, even taking human life if moral relativism has taken over your unshakable moral standards. When you think about what enables this to take place in history, or the present, it’s always what’s missing, God’s standards, not charlatans twisting scripture with ignorant people, but what the Bible says is right and wrong.

The biggest millstone around our necks though as far as I can see it is that unlike a German soldier that may very well have been shot themselves for refusing such orders, we live in a free country and have the right to express our opinions without such fear, and STILL people remain silent, or condone the practice of killing children. Some people’s blood lust is such that they even rally for the practice to continue unabated, and you can’t tell me that their consciences aren’t seared.

I see NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever in the genocide that took place in Europe in the mid 20th century, and the genocide that is happening under our very noses this very day in this country. They are the very same.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27170 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:02 pm to
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We want to win elections so we can actually make a difference


So this is the “wall tactic” for 2024?

Nice.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65504 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:08 pm to
I stopped watching when he started focusing only on Trump.

Abortion should be abolished and criminalized, but we're not going to be able to do that overnight. Let the state's rights solution work.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26364 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:08 pm to
The dems should be raked over the coals on "birthday abortion." The GOP should not support abortions religious extremes, but draw the ban line at the heart beat of the fetus. At that point most people will see a fetus as an unborn child. The dems crazy birthday abortion is a starkly clear case of murder.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29593 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:59 pm to
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Fells


Sick fricking trash

Altogether fitting you find common cause with the MAGA crowd
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29593 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:00 am to
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I stopped watching when he started focusing only on Trump.


Except he didn't

And Trump is 100% wrong on this

But don't let that stop you from being a fragile pussy
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29593 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:01 am to
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but draw the ban line at the heart beat of the fetus.


This is the DeSantis view

Trump disagrees
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:02 am to
Sick fricking trash

Altogether fitting you can't refute anything I stated.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37701 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:04 am to
Your argument is based on sentience/ability to form a memory


I guess it’s ok in your mind to murder someone in a coma or someone with Alzheimer’s?
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:08 am to
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I guess it’s ok in your mind to murder someone in a coma or someone with Alzheimer’s?


John Locke already answered that. The coma, alzheimer's, drunk whatever may not be the same self anymore (or may not have a self anymore in case of the neverending coma) but since there was a self to begin with, they should reasonably be protected (or protected against in the case of the drunk) by law. The same cannot be said of a fetus.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29593 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:09 am to
You're not worth it. Adam Banks just pointed out how obviously ludicrous your position on back-solving for genocide birth control is. You're nothing.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:33 am to
You can't refute any of it so you try to insult your way out of looking foolish

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27952 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:48 am to
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If it is under 30 weeks, there is no way it is a person in the first place.


Opinion.

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expecting a 12 year old to birth and raise a child from her step-dad raping her is beyond fricked up.


Who TF are you arguing against?
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23218 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:17 am to
The Republican Party was a regional party before social issues and Roe Vs. Wade.

If we don't believe in the fundamental right to life, then all other rights are arbitrary.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138433 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:00 am to
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Great message on abortion
Sarcasm I presume?

I'm a DeSantis fan.
But his dishonesty in that clip is obvious, which is unfortunate. BS is not his normal schtick, and he doesn't wear it well. It's frankly one of the worst responses I've heard him give.

First, Trump has no weakness here. Without Trump's SCOTUS appointments, FL would still be allowing 24wk abortions.

Second, DeSantis enacted a 6wk law in Florida.... AFTER he was elected. Not before. Had he done it before, the election result would have been quite different.

Why?
Because 6wk laws are the worst of both worlds. If you're going to ban abortion, then ban it! Don't try and hide behind a 6wk nonsensical law.

For the Pro-Life purists abortion is still legal in Florida.

For Pro-Abortion people 6wks constitutes a de facto total ban.

In response, there will be an immediate illegal distribution of mifepristone and misoprostol outside of medical supervision. With that, there will be associated rare but major complications, including birth defects/IGR and maternal death. The blame for those will be placed by the complicit media at the feet of the Anti-Abortion faction.

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But for the majority of women, those not in either extreme, there is a different reality.
Societal pressures on young women to become sexually active have never been higher. Meanwhile, accidents can happen. If they do, depending on how regular the girl's cycle is, at "6wks" she's only actually been pregnant 3-4wks. If she mistakes post-conception spotting for menstruation, she loses her legal window entirely.

Under the 6wk law, a young girl has to recognize an accident happened, obtain a pregnancy test, rely on it to be accurate, decide what to do almost immediately, hook up with a provider (assuming one is available) for a pair of abortion pills, and hope those work in round one, because a second round would fall outside the legal window.

For a promiscuous 30y/o whose "been there, done that," recognizing pregnancy and getting immediate access to Ab pills is doable. For a 17y/o high schooler (50% of girls in the US are now sexually active by age 18), the process is significantly more daunting.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138433 posts
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:07 am to
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If it is under 30 weeks, there is no way it is a person in the first place.

You had no clue as to WTF you are talking about, do you?
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This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 5:07 am
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