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re: Going forward, how can there be effective criminal representation......
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:16 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:16 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Not a very good, or successful attorney.
Example #1
Don't hire this guy.
Not a very good, or successful attorney.
Example #1
Don't hire this guy.
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:30 pm to Dale51
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Just another piece in the Communists fundamental transformation of the United States of America puzzle.
The Central Committee, i.e., Special Council to the Committee authorized the New York Local KGB to execute this seizure.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:43 pm to Iowa Golfer
Forgive us for questioning or criticizing you. I didn't realize you're an active participant in the Q thread. Your business acumen and general enlightenment are impeccable.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:47 pm to brian_wilson
I am not such a trusting soul. I believe that if they can get it they will find a way to use it. I always thought it required extraordinary circumstances to search a lawyer's office. This is very disturbing.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:57 pm to Iowa Golfer
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^
Not a very good, or successful attorney.
Example #1
Don't hire this guy.
Did you really think you could plan a crime with your lawyer and go "NO THAT'S PRIVILEGED!!!!!" Did you really think that would work?
Whether the raid on Cohen is correct or not, there have always been exceptions to A/C privilege.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 9:12 pm to CorporateTiger
Find my post where I planned a crime.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 9:16 pm to Scoop
The American people are waking up again. Seriously.
numbers are up!
numbers are up!
Posted on 4/11/18 at 9:36 pm to Iowa Golfer
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Find my post where I planned a crime.
I'll wait.
Ok, so you are with me that you can't use A/C privilege to hide the planning of a crime. Now we can also agree that people probably HAVE tried to do just that.
So how else then would LEOs get their hands on those documents?
I'm not saying I support this raid is right. Trying to pretend, though, that a raid on a lawyer's office is some huge fricking change in the American legal system is dumb. Go read through news stories about search warrants being served on any significant corporation. I GUARANTEE you that some potentially A/C privileged files were taken in each of those raids.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 10:12 pm to CorporateTiger
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I'm not sure what your point is?
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HRC got special treatment.
Yea, you got it...
Posted on 4/11/18 at 10:27 pm to Scoop
quote:an excellent question.
Going forward, how can there be effective criminal representation.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:36 am to CorporateTiger
I disagree. Others, including some pretty well respected Constitutional experts, agree with my view.
I guess due to this, and your "GUARANTEE", I am trying to pretend becuase I disagree with you.
Some of the responses in this thread I find remarkable. I outline why I am potentially concerend, and several message board "experts" essentially accuse myself and my attorney of illegal acts.
This is how I can usually tell those on here that have real world experience where things are cloudy, and never easy, versus responses coming from people telling other people how to run a business, or how to communicate with their attorney, and who have never had some of the unpleasant taks that involves.
I remember when I used to think I knew better than the guy trhat employed me. As one progresses if they're on a path of ownership and increased responsibility, that fallacy dies, or you remain poor.
I'm hesitant even post this, becuase iosh and his ilk going to come on here and start calling me a salvage yard mogul. Becuase when I mentioned I owned part of a salvage yard as an investment, I rellay wanted everyone on herer to know this and understand just how important that was. Meaning, he thinks that I think like he does, when I clearly do not. Becuase I'm not 2 years out of college, with no practical real world in anything, including ife.
I guess due to this, and your "GUARANTEE", I am trying to pretend becuase I disagree with you.
Some of the responses in this thread I find remarkable. I outline why I am potentially concerend, and several message board "experts" essentially accuse myself and my attorney of illegal acts.
This is how I can usually tell those on here that have real world experience where things are cloudy, and never easy, versus responses coming from people telling other people how to run a business, or how to communicate with their attorney, and who have never had some of the unpleasant taks that involves.
I remember when I used to think I knew better than the guy trhat employed me. As one progresses if they're on a path of ownership and increased responsibility, that fallacy dies, or you remain poor.
I'm hesitant even post this, becuase iosh and his ilk going to come on here and start calling me a salvage yard mogul. Becuase when I mentioned I owned part of a salvage yard as an investment, I rellay wanted everyone on herer to know this and understand just how important that was. Meaning, he thinks that I think like he does, when I clearly do not. Becuase I'm not 2 years out of college, with no practical real world in anything, including ife.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:43 am to Scoop
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Not enough talk is going on about how crazy serious this is.
it actually happens with some regularity, you are mad because its Trump.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:57 am to Scoop
Patriot act says hi.
I still find it weird that TD is not leading the charge to repeal patriot act.
No trial.
No charges.
Just held indefinitely.
I still find it weird that TD is not leading the charge to repeal patriot act.
No trial.
No charges.
Just held indefinitely.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:14 am to Iowa Golfer
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disagree. Others, including some pretty well respected Constitutional experts, agree with my view.
I guess due to this, and your "GUARANTEE", I am trying to pretend becuase I disagree with you.
Some of the responses in this thread I find remarkable. I outline why I am potentially concerend, and several message board "experts" essentially accuse myself and my attorney of illegal acts.
This is how I can usually tell those on here that have real world experience where things are cloudy, and never easy, versus responses coming from people telling other people how to run a business, or how to communicate with their attorney, and who have never had some of the unpleasant taks that involves.
I remember when I used to think I knew better than the guy trhat employed me. As one progresses if they're on a path of ownership and increased responsibility, that fallacy dies, or you remain poor.
I'm hesitant even post this, becuase iosh and his ilk going to come on here and start calling me a salvage yard mogul. Becuase when I mentioned I owned part of a salvage yard as an investment, I rellay wanted everyone on herer to know this and understand just how important that was. Meaning, he thinks that I think like he does, when I clearly do not. Becuase I'm not 2 years out of college, with no practical real world in anything, including ife.
Let me take a shot at this so your point doesn't get lost. First, I wouldn't take umbrage. This is the internet. People overstate the other sides assertions and get sarcastic. That's how they get cred. They are just getting humor out of the fact that you said you wouldn't talk about X with a lawyer, but you are talking about X on a message board. I recognize that you are asking a legal question; namely the permissability of depreciation not as a crime, but as an example of a question that you might ask a lawyer to see if you have any legal problem.
Another internet trick is they are expanding your point to try to make it seem that you would never approve a warrant on an attorney, and that you have potential relief if things are improperly used (leaving behind the technical discussion of whether 42 USC 1983 is applicable to federal actors as opposed to a Bivens action).
Nevertheless, your underlying point of the danger in the following scenario occurring:
(1) You ask a legitimate tax question on a jump ball issue
(2) your attorney is in a criminal enterprise with another client and there is no way for you to know that
(3) Attorney gets raided and your file gets scooped in the process
(4) they don't use your file in a criminal proceeding, but there is hint/hint nudge/nudge to the IRS to start checking your file
(5) you have no way of knowing or discovering the wink/wink nudge/nudge
That is the issue which has been discussed at length by Prof. Dershowicz. The issue is not just the 5th Amendment rights for which there may be relief. Its your 6th Amendment right on you getting deprived the assistance of your counsel in one of their chief ethical duties of confidentiality and your 4th amendment right against search and seizure. The existence of a tort where you have the burden to assert some derivative claim on a constitutional right does you very little good.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:22 am to Iowa Golfer
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As an example.
I love all you "law and order" Republicans.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:26 am to dukkbill
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This guy? Yes, hire him.
Thanks.
This guy? Yes, hire him.
Thanks.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:33 am to Iowa Golfer
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This is how I can usually tell those on here that have real world experience where things are cloudy, and never easy, versus responses coming from people telling other people how to run a business, or how to communicate with their attorney, and who have never had some of the unpleasant taks that involves.
Sigh.
You said you were worried about how things you write in emails could be misconstrued and used against you, so going forward you'll speak on the phone.
Meanwhile, you come to a public forum, a place where you've shared a ton of personal/business information, and share examples of your concerns. You're worried about your attorney's office being raided, but you're cool posting here about how your correspondence flirts with fraud or discriminatory practices. That makes no sense.
Hell, I'd imagine your attorney would advise against your posts in this very thread.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:42 am to dukkbill
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(1) You ask a legitimate tax question on a jump ball issue
(2) your attorney is in a criminal enterprise with another client and there is no way for you to know that
(3) Attorney gets raided and your file gets scooped in the process
(4) they don't use your file in a criminal proceeding, but there is hint/hint nudge/nudge to the IRS to start checking your file
(5) you have no way of knowing or discovering the wink/wink nudge/nudge
All legitimate, albeit unlikely concerns.
However, if you're worried about a hint falling in the lap of the IRS, you'd think you'd be more careful on the internet too.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:45 am to Iowa Golfer
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The precedent yesterday should have the ACLU and attorneys up in arms.
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the ACLU
they DGAF bc it's Trump....had it been Obama, the universe would have imploded
Posted on 4/12/18 at 10:46 am to Scoop
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