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Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:19 am to weptiger
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The French are a weak willed people and will therefore vote in Macron. Years from now, they will wonder why they are no longer "French." You get what you deserve and this global capitulation to unfettered immigration will be the ruin of any nations identity.
That's my concern. France will probably get what they deserve instead of what they need.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Yeah, I care more about France than America. Good catch there, Columbo.
Why would any American care enough about French culture to support a commie?
I'll put you down as wanting an increased domination of France by Islam. Have you ever stopped to think that the increasing Islamization of Europe is bad for America?
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:26 am to KCT
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That's my concern. France will probably get what they deserve instead of what they need.
No doubt. Few people on the left can be reasoned with and therefore blindly see globalism as the path. They basically want a world wide EU with little to no border security, free flow of people, etc. That model destroys national identity/security and those that support the globalist ultimately "deserve" the outcome. Unfortunately, a lot of good people that don't support the global view will get impacted negatively (terror, economic, etc.) as they are in the minority.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:26 am to KCT
She is a nationalist and a socialist. What could go wrong?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:28 am to KCT
quote:Yet, they are still only a small minority of the population and will continue to be regardless. It seems like a bit of truth with a lot fear-mongering.
I'll put you down as wanting an increased domination of France by Islam.
quote:Well how does this change that? France still has its Muslim ex-colonies and the rest of Europe is still getting their immigrants. Besides, if they are there, then they aren't here.
Have you ever stopped to think that the increasing Islamization of Europe is bad for America?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:29 am to weptiger
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The rest of it involving positions on taxes, investment, healthcare, etc. really doesn't matter in most voters opinion.
I know the other stuff doesn't matter in the opinion of most Americans as outside observers but is that true for the French?
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:34 am to montanagator
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I know the other stuff doesn't matter in the opinion of most Americans as outside observers but is that true for the French?
Based upon the establishment types rallying to Macron, I would say it doesn't matter that much. I am sure there are single issue voters where some of the individual positions matter, but the French election ultimately comes down to the national identity vs global/EU view.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:38 am to weptiger
quote:You mean they are rallying to the candidate who wants to lower taxes and away from the one who wants to raise them, but that can't be an issue to them?
Based upon the establishment types rallying to Macron, I would say it doesn't matter that much. I am sure there are single issue voters where some of the individual positions matter, but the French election ultimately comes down to the national identity vs global/EU view.
Such nonsense.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:47 am to buckeye_vol
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Such nonsense.
Out of context. I simply made the point that in looking at this election alot of it focuses on national identity and demonization of LePen. I referenced that there are clearly people that take up support based upon other issues as well.
They aren't rallying to Macron simply because of his tax policy. They are rallying to support him given the demonization of LePen. I never said that taxes "couldn't" be an issue for them, but I haven't seen anything that indicates Macron tax policy is the rallying point.
Try harder.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:51 am to weptiger
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Based upon the establishment types rallying to Macron, I would say it doesn't matter that much. I am sure there are single issue voters where some of the individual positions matter, but the French election ultimately comes down to the national identity vs global/EU view.
The one high level finisher not to endorse Macron had economic views far closer to Le Pen's, of course his party affiliation might confuse the "Macron=Leftist, Le Pen= Conservative" viewpoint.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:54 am to weptiger
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They are rallying to support him given the demonization of LePen.
Given his late entrance and neophyte status in politics, I'd disagree.
Also if the French left united under one candidate, Le Pen or Macron wouldn't be here.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:58 am to weptiger
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They are rallying to support him given the demonization of LePen.
Demonization? The woman wants to ban yarmulke's and has gone on the record saying the Vichy weren't responsible for their actions against French Jews during the Holocaust. She's demonized her own fricking self.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:58 am to weptiger
quote:But with such limited support, don't you think maybe we are overestimating this single issue from our own worldviews?
I simply made the point that in looking at this election alot of it focuses on national identity and demonization of LePen.
quote:Yeah, and when you all regurgitate the same talking points, I assume you're not really "seeing" much more than whatever news outlets you all seek out to confirm your biases.
I never said that taxes "couldn't" be an issue for them, but I haven't seen anything that indicates Macron tax policy is the rallying point.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:08 pm to KCT
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I'll put you down as wanting an increased domination of France by Islam
I personally don't give a frick. They'll lose population with people who dislike islamization moving to the USA or Canada
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:28 pm to KCT
Hey, if France wants to have socialist economic policies, let them. They've been living under them pretty much for the last 70 years. If that is what they like, bully for them. But no policy, socialist or otherwise, won't be worth a damn if they keep letting the barbaric hoardes flood in. I understand that this is a result of their socialist thinking but they better get a fricking grip on themselves on this part of it.
Why do I care about Europe? I don't know. I guess it's because I like history and it's where my family came from and I don't want to see it destroyed by barbarians. Is Le Pen exactly what I want? No, but like Trump, it's what we got to go with to defeat something even worse.
Why do I care about Europe? I don't know. I guess it's because I like history and it's where my family came from and I don't want to see it destroyed by barbarians. Is Le Pen exactly what I want? No, but like Trump, it's what we got to go with to defeat something even worse.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:34 pm to TheFonz
quote:But Trump >>>>>>>>>>>> Le Pen.
No, but like Trump, it's what we got to go with to defeat something even worse.
While people misrepresent Trump as a fascist, Le Pen is actually about as close to a fascist as we've seen in some time.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They'll lose population with people who dislike islamization moving to the USA or Canada
Wonder if the next immigration crisis will be western Europeans moving to the US, Canada, Australia, etc....
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I personally don't give a frick. They'll lose population with people who dislike islamization moving to the USA or Canada
Are the people who leave going to strap the nukes on their backs and take them, too?
Not every issue is as simple as it seems in your mind.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:38 pm to member12
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Wonder if the next immigration crisis will be western Europeans moving to the US, Canada, Australia, etc....
I think it will be good for the US.
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