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Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:28 am
How do you spy on a campaign with this?
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:30 am to
Is this a serious question?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55486 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:31 am to
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How do you spy on a campaign with this?



Suspicion of foreign interference or cooperation?
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
36693 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:31 am to
Make shite up then have the creator leak said shite to the media so it is self-corroborating.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17468 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:32 am to
They used Title I instead of Title VII which authorizes them to do complete surveillance of anyone that the suspect has or does associate with. Funny thing is the supposed threshold to use Title I is to have verified documentation that the suspect is an active spy for a foreign entity.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:32 am to
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How do you spy on a campaign with this?


Hope they have someone who has ever spoken to a person outside of the United States. Just incase their is a chance they are a “foreign agent” you go Big Brother on anyone in the US they have associated with to make absolutely sure. I guess..

When your investigation turns up nothing, they are still tainted by having been investigated. Make sure you remind people of this 24/7 through your state run media
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 11:35 am
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:33 am to
If there's evidence of an American citizen communicating with an agent of foreign power then a warrant can be approved to spy on the American.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:34 am to
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How do you spy on a campaign with this?
The word "spy" is way overused. They were investigating suspected foreign intelligence activities and their nexus with some U.S. actors--members of a presidential campaign in this case.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5194 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:36 am to
What did they suspect was happening?
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:36 am to
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The word "spy" is way overused. They were investigating suspected foreign intelligence activities


Government surveillance requiring a secret warrant that is unknown to those being surveilled is indeed “spying”

The SC is “investigating”

This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 11:41 am
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:38 am to
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Government surveillance requiring a secret warrant that is unknown to those being surveilled is indeed “spying”
It's surveillance as part of a criminal and counterintelligence investigation.

ETA for your ETA definition: We should do a denotation/connotation talk sometime.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 11:43 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:39 am to
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It's surveillance as part of a criminal and counterintelligence investigation


Said Stalin and Mao and Chavez and Castro and Hitler and Mussolini and every other tin pot dictator ever
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17468 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:40 am to
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They were investigating suspected foreign intelligence activities and their nexus with some U.S. actors--members of a presidential campaign in this case.


This really glosses over things. If they were just “commincating” with Russians then Title VII would apply and not Title I.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5194 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:40 am to
Was there a crime they were expecting to find or did the suspect a foreign intelligence service was trying to spy on us?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36065 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:41 am to
Why be scared of the Russians when our government is creeping more and more towards totalitarianism every day?
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:41 am to
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Was there a crime they were expecting to find or did the suspect a foreign intelligence service was trying to spy on us?
Yes.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:42 am to
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Why be scared of the Russians when our government is creeping more and more towards totalitarianism every day


Exactly. The same people screaming about the Russians are begging to do the things that make the Russians bad.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:42 am to
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It's surveillance as part of a criminal and counterintelligence investigation.


It’s quite literally spying as a part of an investigation.



You are attempting to justify the spying, it was still spying. Not sure how you are trying to argue that
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 11:45 am
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:42 am to
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It's surveillance as part of a criminal and counterintelligence investigation.
Based on oppo research paid for by Hillionaire, then to add to it, leaked portions of it to paid media then used the articles written to bolster that sweet sweet FISA warrant.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:43 am to
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Based on oppo research paid for by Hillionaire, then to add to it, leaked portions of it to paid media then used the articles written to bolster that sweet sweet FISA warrant.
Well frankly, Jbird, it's a tangle. Lot of moving parts.
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