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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:46 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:46 pm to
Do we have any anarchists that post here?

Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:48 pm to
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Do we have any anarchists that post here?



I believe that stuntman and I qualify, to a certain extent. I value anarchism (of a certain type - there are many variations) as an ideal end, but I obviously know that it can't be implemented overnight.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:50 pm to
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It takes a certain set of cultural values and homogenity to work, as well as a collective martial spirit in the face of outside threat. Barring

The prevailing cultural winds are blowing these to tatters.

All notions of governance must have a realistic appreciation of mankind's inherent fallibility.

Mankind cannot be made perfect, righteous, or holy by a system of government.

Our system is as good as any and better than most others. Liberty to pursue life and live it to the fullest while protecting that liberty from the erosions and depredations of the State, the Mob, and its enemies within and without should be its hallmark.



Posted by stuntman
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:53 pm to
My heart is 100% ancap...but my brain will only let me be a minarchist.

To me, there is no philosophy that I know of that is more consistent and intellectually honest than anarcho-capitalism.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:56 pm to
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The prevailing cultural winds are blowing these to tatters.



For the moment, yes. But it is out of tatters that new fabric can be made.

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All notions of governance must have a realistic appreciation of mankind's inherent fallibility.



I totally agree. That is one of the many reasons I am a vehement critic of democracy. Republicanism is better, and aristocratic republicanism even more so. It is probably more in line with Anglo values than some kind of monarchical system.

Posted by OnTheGeaux
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:57 pm to
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One mans 90 seconds could be another mans 3 and half hours.



A 90 second peek into this thread created 3 and half hour rabbit hole thanks to Boatbrain and InsightHead.


Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 6:59 pm to
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InsightHead


That might be the best internet compliment I've ever received, even if it may have been facetious.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:09 pm to
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Do we have any anarchists that post here?




There's not really any such thing.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:11 pm to
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There's not really any such thing.



The better word is probably decentralizer, as humans are incapable of operating without some degree of hierarchy.
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:16 pm to
Might help to enlighten the anarchists to let them know the author of the quote was imprisoned on more than one occasion by the same authorities he refers to in the text. His imprisonment was for preaching and teaching too, not for anything else. Essentially in today's American terms, his 1A right was violated.

The author, as well as the other apostles who also wrote parts of New testament and were imprisoned, also only preached part time. They worked as they traveled at whatever work was available.

So, not only the respect for authority, but also the taxation to the same was duly given.

Paul followed the laws of the land as preached and taught others to. Take a look at who the National and local authorities in his time were. One of the Kings had John the Baptist beheaded at the request of his daughter. The Caesar's of Rome who were always a real hoot at parties and ever so loving to their subjects.

Today's dictators got nothing on ancient ones.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:28 pm to
I mean, I'm as much for "anarchy" as anyone who calls him or herself an "anarchist." I just sort of accept reality and realize it's unobtainable unless everyone pretty much thinks exactly like me.
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:34 pm to
I guess it all boils down to the interpretation of the word "anarchist". I don't think it's possible to have a world without rulers and without hierarchy in most facets of life. However, I think that most people would not want that kind of world and they would voluntarily accept being part of a hierarchy, even if they are not at the top of that hierarchy. This would be the case in a high-trust or a more homogeneous society. I don't think it would work in a world of "inclusion and diversity". If someone who thinks that voluntarily accepting being in that type of society is preferred and wants to call themselves an "anarchist", then I'm fine with that.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted by GenghisKhan
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 7:55 pm to
Thank you Rev.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:15 pm to
He went after Jeffey Tucker like that?! Damn, Hoppe is hard core.

Love that dude.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:17 pm to
Tucker went from one of my favorites to an effeminate cuck in a very short time. It's a shame, he's a very bright and insightful guy. Met him once at the LvMI a few years ago.
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:27 pm to
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Tucker went from one of my favorites to an effeminate cuck in a very short time.
Yep. Also, the Free State Project went from something I thought could have been an interesting idea into what it is today, seemingly a leftist paradise.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 8:28 pm
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:28 pm to
I haven't kept up w Tucker's views, so it was a bit of a shock to hear Hoppe talk about him like that...although we libertarians are known for ripping each other apart.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:32 pm to
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Also, the Free State Project went from something I thought could have been an interesting idea into what it is today, seemingly a leftist paradise.




NH is still the most libertarian place in the country (the Dakotas and Montana in close following), but damn, I can't handle New England winters, and I'm not about to be a reverse-carpetbagger.

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I haven't kept up w Tucker's views, so it was a bit of a shock to hear Hoppe talk about him like that...although we libertarians are known for ripping each other apart.


I'm sure you know the story of Mises leaving a Mont Pelerin Society meeting in a huff, declaring, "you're all a bunch of socialists!"
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 8:34 pm
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:08 pm to
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For the moment, yes. But it is out of tatters that new fabric can be made.

New wine in old skins? No, of course you're right. My cynicism sometimes gets the better of me. New fabric could be woven from proven tatters that are virtuous at their core.

Rod Dreher touches this somewhat in his The Benedict Option. Although it is explicitly "A Strategy for Christians in a Post-Christian Nation", I would say it recognizes, pragmatically, allies of like minded people who wish to build communities where freedom and virtue can thrive and where tatters can be woven into something permanent.

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I totally agree. That is one of the many reasons I am a vehement critic of democracy. Republicanism is better, and aristocratic republicanism even more so. It is probably more in line with Anglo values than some kind of monarchical system.


Unfettered democracy can tend toward the rule of the mob and whatever trend, fad, or social experiment it embraces. The most horrible example in my opinion being the French Revolution. The current "Progressive" movement in our country today shares more in common with it than just dangerous ugly rhetoric.

I generally agree with a republican form of governance. I would simply say that, an aristocratic republic must be a nobility of character and virtue based on common beliefs respecting culture, morality, and the intrinsic God-given value of all persons-these above all else.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 10:10 pm to
I am in total agreement - and I am heartened by someone else being aware of The Benedict Option.
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