- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: For Catholics that went to Mass this weekend...
Posted on 4/25/26 at 7:23 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 4/25/26 at 7:23 am to Squirrelmeister
Your entire post is littered with flattening and surface level discussions but you call me Foo…?
You’re still conflating preference with moral truth. “Chocolate is good” is not the same kind of claim as “enslaving a human being is wrong.” One is taste, the other is a moral judgment. If morality is just preference, then you cannot say slavery is actually wrong, only that you personally dislike it. You seem to argue as if some things are objectively evil, that only makes sense if there is a real standard beyond human opinion.
The Bible does not present slavery as an ideal to imitate. It regulates an already existing social reality in a fallen world while planting the seeds that ultimately undermine it. That’s why you get things like “there is neither slave nor free” (Galatians 3:28) and the command to treat slaves as brothers. You’re aware that the slavery being discussed above, isn’t chattel slavery right? The trajectory of Scripture moves toward human dignity, not away from it. Appealing to abuses or misuses of Scripture doesn’t prove the text endorses them any more than misuse of reason disproves reason.
Yes, Hebrews says the old covenant is fulfilled and surpassed in Christ. That’s exactly the point. The judicial and ceremonial laws given to Israel were for a specific people at a specific time. They are not universal moral commands for all societies. You’re treating covenantal law, descriptive narrative, and moral law as if they are all the same category, and they’re not. You don’t teach babies how to sprint do you?
The Exodus quote is where you really sound like Foo. You’re misreading it. Israel did not sacrifice their firstborn sons. The firstborn were consecrated to God and then redeemed, which is explicitly stated elsewhere (Exodus 13:13, Numbers 18:15). Animal sacrifice is not the same thing as human sacrifice, and Scripture repeatedly condemns child sacrifice outright (Jeremiah 7:31). Pulling one verse and ignoring the rest of the Torah creates a contradiction that isn’t actually there. You’re better than that.
The passage you’re referencing on rape (Deuteronomy 22) is distinguishing between consensual relations and violent assault. In the case of rape, the man is condemned. In the case of seduction, he is forced into lifelong responsibility and cannot discard the woman. It’s not a moral endorsement of rape, it’s a legal framework in an ancient society aimed at protecting women who otherwise would have been abandoned.
Aaaaaaaand finally, on God and sacrifice. You’re framing it as if God arbitrarily demands violence, but the entire sacrificial system points forward to Christ. The claim isn’t that God “couldn’t forgive,” it’s that God chose to enter into human brokenness and bear its cost Himself. The Cross is not divine child abuse, it’s self-giving love. God doesn’t demand something from humanity that He Himself is unwilling to give.
Your argument only works if you assume a purely modern lens and strip the text of its historical, covenantal, and theological context, but once you actually read it as a unified story, the supposed contradictions start to collapse. I used to believe the same things. Then I decided to learn more.
Your arguments seem to me that you believe real moral evil exists.
You’re still conflating preference with moral truth. “Chocolate is good” is not the same kind of claim as “enslaving a human being is wrong.” One is taste, the other is a moral judgment. If morality is just preference, then you cannot say slavery is actually wrong, only that you personally dislike it. You seem to argue as if some things are objectively evil, that only makes sense if there is a real standard beyond human opinion.
The Bible does not present slavery as an ideal to imitate. It regulates an already existing social reality in a fallen world while planting the seeds that ultimately undermine it. That’s why you get things like “there is neither slave nor free” (Galatians 3:28) and the command to treat slaves as brothers. You’re aware that the slavery being discussed above, isn’t chattel slavery right? The trajectory of Scripture moves toward human dignity, not away from it. Appealing to abuses or misuses of Scripture doesn’t prove the text endorses them any more than misuse of reason disproves reason.
Yes, Hebrews says the old covenant is fulfilled and surpassed in Christ. That’s exactly the point. The judicial and ceremonial laws given to Israel were for a specific people at a specific time. They are not universal moral commands for all societies. You’re treating covenantal law, descriptive narrative, and moral law as if they are all the same category, and they’re not. You don’t teach babies how to sprint do you?
The Exodus quote is where you really sound like Foo. You’re misreading it. Israel did not sacrifice their firstborn sons. The firstborn were consecrated to God and then redeemed, which is explicitly stated elsewhere (Exodus 13:13, Numbers 18:15). Animal sacrifice is not the same thing as human sacrifice, and Scripture repeatedly condemns child sacrifice outright (Jeremiah 7:31). Pulling one verse and ignoring the rest of the Torah creates a contradiction that isn’t actually there. You’re better than that.
The passage you’re referencing on rape (Deuteronomy 22) is distinguishing between consensual relations and violent assault. In the case of rape, the man is condemned. In the case of seduction, he is forced into lifelong responsibility and cannot discard the woman. It’s not a moral endorsement of rape, it’s a legal framework in an ancient society aimed at protecting women who otherwise would have been abandoned.
Aaaaaaaand finally, on God and sacrifice. You’re framing it as if God arbitrarily demands violence, but the entire sacrificial system points forward to Christ. The claim isn’t that God “couldn’t forgive,” it’s that God chose to enter into human brokenness and bear its cost Himself. The Cross is not divine child abuse, it’s self-giving love. God doesn’t demand something from humanity that He Himself is unwilling to give.
Your argument only works if you assume a purely modern lens and strip the text of its historical, covenantal, and theological context, but once you actually read it as a unified story, the supposed contradictions start to collapse. I used to believe the same things. Then I decided to learn more.
Your arguments seem to me that you believe real moral evil exists.
This post was edited on 4/25/26 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/25/26 at 8:07 am to METAL
quote:Why are you guys using me as an insult? I go out of my way to show that my beliefs are thoroughly grounded in Scripture, utilizing the context of the texts. You can disagree with the conclusions but I’m not arbitrarily abusing the text, or interpreting it in light of non-biblical texts like Squirrelmeister does.
The Exodus quote is where you really sound like Foo
Posted on 4/25/26 at 10:48 am to METAL
quote:
Your entire post is littered with flattening and surface level discussions but you call me Foo…?
You’re making the same kind of ridiculous nonsensical argument he does. Another analogy for you. It’s like saying high and low don’t really exist, because there is no objective standard for what the height of an object is supposed to be. Or hot and cold don’t really exist, because there is no standard objective temperature.
quote:
You’re still conflating preference with moral truth. “Chocolate is good” is not the same kind of claim as “enslaving a human being is wrong.” One is taste, the other is a moral judgment. If morality is just preference, then you cannot say slavery is actually wrong, only that you personally dislike it.
There can still be good and bad even if there is no objective standard, and there isn’t.
quote:
You seem to argue as if some things are objectively evil
I have never ever argued such a thing.
quote:
The Bible does not present slavery as an ideal to imitate. It regulates an already existing social reality in a fallen world while planting the seeds that ultimately undermine it. That’s why you get things like “there is neither slave nor free” (Galatians 3:28) and the command to treat slaves as brothers. You’re aware that the slavery being discussed above, isn’t chattel slavery right?
Seriously man have you not read the Bible?
quote:
44As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
This is supposed to be Yahweh speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai. Certainly he could have said “Thou shalt not make slaves if anyone, or keep people as property, or sell your daughters into slavery.” But he said the opposite. That’s a problem.
quote:
Yes, Hebrews says the old covenant is fulfilled and surpassed in Christ. That’s exactly the point. The judicial and ceremonial laws given to Israel were for a specific people at a specific time. They are not universal moral commands for all societies. You’re treating covenantal law, descriptive narrative, and moral law as if they are all the same category, and they’re not.
Whether you believe the “eternal covenant” is really eternal or not (picking and choosing from the Bible like you’re at a buffet), you still are worshipping an imaginary deity who was a proponent of slavery and sacrificing firstborn children.
quote:
The Exodus quote is where you really sound like Foo. You’re misreading it. Israel did not sacrifice their firstborn sons.
You might have missed all the times the Bible says “quit sacrificing your children” and “so and so was an evil king who sacrificed his firstborn as a Molech sacrifice through the fire” and so on. And you missed where Yahweh brags about having commanded child sacrifice so he could defile the Israelites. I actually quoted it for you the other day.
quote:
The firstborn were consecrated to God and then redeemed, which is explicitly stated elsewhere (Exodus 13:13, Numbers 18:15). Animal sacrifice is not the same thing as human sacrifice
Exodus 22 says do the same thing to the firstborn children and animals. Rip the baby from its mother on the eighth day (and sacrifice it). Think about what “do the same” means. You think “do the same” means do not do the same. That’s Foo logic.
quote:
Scripture repeatedly condemns child sacrifice outright (Jeremiah 7:31)
Says the guy who believes an all powerful deity couldn’t forgive discretions until he sacrificed his own child…
quote:
The claim isn’t that God “couldn’t forgive,” it’s that God chose to enter into human brokenness and bear its cost Himself.
A cost he chose. He set the price. He could have simply forgave. He could do anything he wants I thought?
quote:
Your arguments seem to me that you believe real moral evil exists.
Yes I do, but I believe there is no objective standard. Just like I believe up and down exist, even though there is no objective standard for the middle.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 4:37 pm to Squirrelmeister
Now you have definitely become Foo. Platitudes and circular arguments galore. You only committed a few fallacies though. Short list of them to follow…
1. Category Error
2. Self-Contradiction
3. Relativist Fallacy
4. False Analogy
5. Straw Man
6. Context Stripping
7. Equivocation
8. Loaded Language
9. Argument from Incredulity
10. Presentism
11. False Dichotomy
12. Cherry Picking
13. Tu Quoque
14. Red Herring
15. Special Pleading
1. Category Error
2. Self-Contradiction
3. Relativist Fallacy
4. False Analogy
5. Straw Man
6. Context Stripping
7. Equivocation
8. Loaded Language
9. Argument from Incredulity
10. Presentism
11. False Dichotomy
12. Cherry Picking
13. Tu Quoque
14. Red Herring
15. Special Pleading
Posted on 4/25/26 at 4:46 pm to SoWhat
Catholics don't believe in the Bible,they believe in Catholicism. And there is a difference.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 6:57 pm to Marquesa
quote:
Catholics don't believe in the Bible,they believe in Catholicism. And there is a difference.
THE Core Belief of Evangelical Protestant Americans IS indeed that Roman Catholics ARE NOT even Christians at all.
Why? Because they say that the New Testament teaches that Faith Alone and Bible Alone are the only way to Heaven for Christians, and, since Catholics do not conform to a Faith Alone/ Bible Alone Theology, Catholics are NOT Christians and are NOT even part of The Body of Christ.
I am convinced that Protestantism and Roman Catholicism are two completely different Religions, perhaps with some outward similarities, which we may talk about for politenesses sake, but at their center and core, these are two completely different Religions and I wonder whether it's possible for BOTH of them to get to Heaven. Logically and analytically, i don't see how both can get to Heaven. Logic tells me that one is right and one is wrong, because they are so different.
I won't mind it if one of is right and going to Heaven and the other is wrong and is going to Hell. I'll take my punishment, if I'm wrong. It would be nice if we both could go, though.
You are right Marquesa. Your religion is completely different than mine. It is not the same Religion IMHO.
This post was edited on 4/25/26 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/25/26 at 7:00 pm to METAL
quote:
Pastor Bob teach you that?
Protestantism teaches him that.
It is a completely different religion than Catholicism.
At some point, you must realize that.
This post was edited on 4/25/26 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 4/25/26 at 8:39 pm to Champagne
I 100% do. They are all postor Bob when you boil it down.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 9:05 pm to METAL
quote:
Now you have definitely become Foo.
You take that back!
quote:
Platitudes and circular arguments galore.
Use the chatbot from which you copied all those types of fallacies to look up “psychological projection”.
quote:
You only committed a few fallacies though. Short list of them to follow… 1. Category Error 2. Self-Contradiction 3. Relativist Fallacy 4. False Analogy 5. Straw Man 6. Context Stripping 7. Equivocation 8. Loaded Language 9. Argument from Incredulity 10. Presentism 11. False Dichotomy 12. Cherry Picking 13. Tu Quoque 14. Red Herring 15. Special Pleading
Posted on 4/25/26 at 9:38 pm to Squirrelmeister
I was kind of blown away by your deflections and the few fallacies I picked out. Ran it through one out of curiosity. Little bit more than the few I noticed.
Never would have expected you to deny objective morality just to cover your flawed worldview. I’m disappointed.
Never would have expected you to deny objective morality just to cover your flawed worldview. I’m disappointed.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 9:48 pm to Champagne
quote:
THE Core Belief of Evangelical Protestant Americans IS indeed that Roman Catholics ARE NOT even Christians at all.
Champagne, have you ever been to a Baptist, a Pentecostal, or Presbyterian church? You should. They are a total joke.
Nevertheless, Protestants are just as much Christian as the Catholics, orthodox, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Arians, or even Marcionites and Valentenians. To say otherwise, is to say no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
quote:
Why? Because they say that the New Testament teaches that Faith Alone and Bible Alone are the only way to Heaven for Christians, and, since Catholics do not conform to a Faith Alone/ Bible Alone Theology, Catholics are NOT Christians
Just like Catholics, they select which parts of scripture to accept and promote, and which parts to ignore. When the rich man asked Jesus how can he get eternal life, did Jesus say the rich man just needed to believe in him and accept his as his lord and savior? Nah, he told him he needed to DO stuff. He needs to take actions. Not simply believe.
Remember, the Bible doesn’t “teach” anything. It’s a collection of pseudepigrapha written by many different authors with opposing theology and then compiled and edited by people with agendas. The Bible is what the individual makes of it by cherry picking.
quote:
I am convinced that Protestantism and Roman Catholicism are two completely different Religions, perhaps with some outward similarities, which we may talk about for politenesses sake, but at their center and core, these are two completely different Religions
They are a lot closer than say Arianism or other sects such as the Montanists and way closer than what some call Gnostic Christianity.
quote:
I wonder whether it's possible for BOTH of them to get to Heaven. Logically and analytically, i don't see how both can get to Heaven. Logic tells me that one is right and one is wrong, because they are so different.
I don’t understand why any Catholics are concerned about heaven. When you say the Niceno-Constantinople Creed tomorrow, pay attention to the ending. It’s something about looking forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Also think about 1 Thessalonians when Jesus comes down to earth and the dead in Christ rise to meet Jesus. They aren’t coming down from heaven with Jesus. They are in hades/sheol, and will rise.
quote:
I won't mind it if one of is right and going to Heaven and the other is wrong and is going to Hell. I'll take my punishment, if I'm wrong
It’s sad that you believe a deity who you claim loves you and everyone would punish you for believing the wrong thing though you sincerely had a desire to believe the right thing.
quote:
It would be nice if we both could go, though.
In reality, you and the Protestants and I are all going to the same place man.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 9:50 pm to METAL
quote:
METAL
Try posting something with substance.
Posted on 4/25/26 at 11:52 pm to SoWhat
He talked about the road to Emmaus.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:17 pm to METAL
quote:
Ad hominem…
You fail to understand this type of fallacy or all the others you copied from the internet.
An ad homimen is an attack on the character or characteristics of a person instead of addressing the argument. I literally asked you to address the argument. That’s not an ad homimen. But you are committing the fallacy of psychological projection by accusing me of committing the fallacy you are actually committing.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:37 pm to gaetti15
quote:
No we talked about the Road to Emmaus.
An amazing post-Resurrection appearance!
quote:
And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 2:02 pm to Squirrelmeister
That was an ad hominem. “Try posting something with substance” isn’t engaging my argument, it’s dismissing me as incapable of making one.
If you want to argue, argue the point. If not, just say that… but don’t pretend that was substance.
If you want to argue, argue the point. If not, just say that… but don’t pretend that was substance.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 8:48 pm to METAL
quote:
That was an ad hominem. “Try posting something with substance” isn’t engaging my argument, it’s dismissing me as incapable of making one.
Go back and see how you responded to my arguments. Your response was without substance. I’m not attacking you or your characteristics - only your lack of substance at the point you had given up. You made arguments of substance earlier. I know you can do it again. What I said is not ad hominem, but what you did is psychological projection of your faults onto me.
quote:
If you want to argue, argue the point. If not, just say that… but don’t pretend that was substance.
Remember this?
That was right after you have up by copying and pasting a list of types of fallacies from the internet.
Psychological projection. Look it up. Learn from it. Then make substantial arguments which I know you can. I might not agree with your arguments, but I know you are capable of lucid thought and coherence.
Popular
Back to top

2





