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re: First Amendment Auditors: who are these d'bags?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:29 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:29 pm to oklahogjr
Okay, so we have enough people engaged here. So the question begs, do you think, with all the "defund the police" narrative made Austin (not my town) a better or worse city to live in. I saw a story where a hit and run victim was injured and didn't get assistance for 2 freakin' hours. At last when the lady cop showed up, she said something to the nature of "sorry, but there's only 6 of us on duty right now". Seriously? A city of more than 500K can't keep more than 6 city police on duty at the same time? That's what you First Amendment Auditor fans are fighting for. Have fun with that.
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:31 pm to mjfrog93
While many of these guys are jerks they do show a valuable lesson for knowing your rights, and especially point out how terrible Terry vs Ohio
And we have the right to record video of anything and anyone we see in public. The government records you, often without your consent, and you have the right to record them. It’s a right we need to exercise because it’s one of the best ways to hold them accountable
And we have the right to record video of anything and anyone we see in public. The government records you, often without your consent, and you have the right to record them. It’s a right we need to exercise because it’s one of the best ways to hold them accountable
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:37 pm to Loserman
Thant's fine. But show your face and be a man. If you need backup have someone filming you film. Showing up for a random traffic stop doesn't require citizen journalism unless you saw something out of the ordinary. These guys are plants. This is an agenda and it aint working for us "citizens".
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:42 pm to mjfrog93
Lemme throw out an olive branch to you who distrust LE so much. How about negotiating First Amendment Auditors to help teach Defensive Driving courses? Why must they disrupt actual incidents, that will most likely create a circumstance for malpractice from either side? I have had my own issues with cop treatments in the past (minor as they were), but how many of you want a camera in your face when you are just trying to do your job. This is a pillar of cancel culture and I'll never subscribe to it.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:49 pm to mjfrog93
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This wall of text is how I would define tantrum, buttercup.
Your inability to understand the difference between an explanation and a tantrum is noted.
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The place they are planning to protest is a Council of Governments building. Good luck with your anti-cop narrative. Good luck understanding what a Council of Governments function is for that matter. You're so righteous because you watched some Youtube videos. Yawn.
Wanting good policing is not anti-cop.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:55 pm to Huskertiger2
It is not an issue until police try to force them to leave or ID them when they are not breaking the law.
It is the police causing the issue in the videos I see.
Leave them alone unless they are breaking the law.
Occasionally you see a cop that acknowledges their right to film and leaves them alone. That is the way it is supposed to be.
It is the police causing the issue in the videos I see.
Leave them alone unless they are breaking the law.
Occasionally you see a cop that acknowledges their right to film and leaves them alone. That is the way it is supposed to be.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:58 pm to Barstools
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. Their goal is to piss you off and get attacked, then sue you
I assume you you are referring to the police getting sued.
Why would someone not committing a crime then lawfully not providing ID pass off a cop?
If it is legal why would a cop care what they are doing?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:00 pm to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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, they’re jerkoffs looking for lawsuits and social media clout
If police follow the law and not violate their rights then there is no reason for a lawsuit.
You are blaming them for the actions of the police who get upset because they are disobeyed
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:02 pm to mjfrog93
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Why must they disrupt actual incidents, that will most likely create a circumstance for malpractice from either side?
Sometimes they disrupt. That's pretty rare. Standing off to the side with a camera is not a disruption.
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how many of you want a camera in your face when you are just trying to do your job.
When you carry a badge, a gun, and have the ability to end one's freedom or life, on behalf of the government, then you will be recorded and under a great deal of scrutiny. That is fair and reasonable. If that is too much of a burden for someone, then he cannot be trusted to make sound decisions in difficult circumstances.
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This is a pillar of cancel culture and I'll never subscribe to it.
This is not related to cancel culture. It has come about because of the advent of technology that makes it possible to catch corruption as it happens. Every LEO in this nation should revel any time a camera pops out - it's an opportunity to show expertise and professionalism, and for that to be spread across the whole internet. This is also a genre of video - cops doing good things and being professional. It just happens to be a lot smaller than the flip side.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:02 pm to POTUS2024
Wanting good policing? Nobody wants that (/sarc).
Going after a governmental agency that almost no control over police training, aside from funding, is a bad excuse for "citizen activism". COG functions help the city get the resources they need to handle daily local government needs, whether it be disaster preparedness or funding for those needing healthcare. These workers do NOT need to be harassed on the subject of LE mistreatment. Might as well put a camera on the Capitol building janitor because of the money allocated to the Ukraine. See how silly this has become?
Going after a governmental agency that almost no control over police training, aside from funding, is a bad excuse for "citizen activism". COG functions help the city get the resources they need to handle daily local government needs, whether it be disaster preparedness or funding for those needing healthcare. These workers do NOT need to be harassed on the subject of LE mistreatment. Might as well put a camera on the Capitol building janitor because of the money allocated to the Ukraine. See how silly this has become?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:04 pm to mjfrog93
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This wall of text is how I would define tantrum, buttercup.
The place they are planning to protest is a Council of Governments building. Good luck with your anti-cop narrative. Good luck understanding what a Council of Governments function is for that matter. You're so righteous because you watched some Youtube videos. Yawn.
Tell me you are a cop without telling me you are a cop.
These videos do not exist without ignorant cops violating citizens'rights
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:10 pm to mjfrog93
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Going after a governmental agency that almost no control over police training, aside from funding, is a bad excuse for "citizen activism". COG functions help the city get the resources they need to handle daily local government needs, whether it be disaster preparedness or funding for those needing healthcare. These workers do NOT need to be harassed on the subject of LE mistreatment. Might as well put a camera on the Capitol building janitor because of the money allocated to the Ukraine. See how silly this has become?
They are doing things protected by the First Amendment.
There is no common ground with you on this topic.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:11 pm to mjfrog93
I do agree that they are almost as annoying as sovereign citizens
Except their activities are legal
Except their activities are legal
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:11 pm to POTUS2024
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This is not related to cancel culture.
BS. We had hundreds that lost their homes and businesses over a Fentanyl victim cloaked as a LE mistreatment. Cancel culture is a thing, and you can't wipe it off the minds of those that lost lives and their livelihoods over the idea that one guy got mistreated by cops. This can't be a discussion: if you think this isn't cancel culture, then maybe we could call you a "denier".
Deny this...
77 year old retired black cop killed in the name of George Floyd
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:19 pm to mjfrog93
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BS. We had hundreds that lost their homes and businesses over a Fentanyl victim cloaked as a LE mistreatment. Cancel culture is a thing, and you can't wipe it off the minds of those that lost lives and their livelihoods over the idea that one guy got mistreated by cops.
First Amendment audits are not cancel culture. Cancel culture is about whipping up anger over something that either does not exist, or is so minor that it has no effect on anyone's life. The quality of policing is a major concern in any society.
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This can't be a discussion
You just seem to hate the First Amendment.
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if you think this isn't cancel culture, then maybe we could call you a "denier".
Call me whatever you want. You have that freedom. Of course, if the world operated by your rules, you wouldn't have that freedom.
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Deny this...
77 year old retired black cop killed in the name of George Floyd
Riots by violent idiots are not audits, and are not connected to audits.
Enjoy moving the goalposts around some more.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:26 pm to novabill
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Tell me you are a cop without telling me you are a cop.
These videos do not exist without ignorant cops violating citizens'rights
You mean like the pic in the WaPo story where a masked filmer was literally 4 feet away from a LE officer interacting with a traffic stop, fully garbed with a camera and mask....
WAIT! Stop the press, I just looked at the WaPo article and they changed the lead picture which displayed what I described. I don't want to take credit, but someone must have thought that picture was too provocative. And they would be right.
Just to be clear, I'm fully on board with folks filming an arrest or a domestic dispute, etc. I just have a problem with cameras in close proximity to a law enforcement engagement. Let them do their job.
And no I'm not a cop and I have more bad experiences with cops than I do good. But I'm getting older and less mischievous, so the past cop encounters in the past several years are like 3 out of 4 good, the 4th being a dumb roll through stop sign ticket that I'd say was, uh, triggered by an early siren (entrapment by a young and eager cop).
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:36 pm to POTUS2024
Wow, you seem to be all in on the Audit thing. F the police, I guess.
This tells me all I need to know about you. This "defund" anti-police movement is in regards to mistreatment of black Americans. While this is an occasional occurrence, and no mistreatment should be swept under the rug, the underlying argument is that cops categorically mistreat black people. And this argument is absolute BS. So as you said "an issue that doesn't exist". Yet here you are fighting for it. I don't have any relatives in LE, but I had a friend that did, and I do feel compassion for the challenges they face. I'm pretty sure you don't have that perspective as you seem quite callous.
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Cancel culture is about whipping up anger over something that either does not exist, or is so minor that it has no effect on anyone's life.
This tells me all I need to know about you. This "defund" anti-police movement is in regards to mistreatment of black Americans. While this is an occasional occurrence, and no mistreatment should be swept under the rug, the underlying argument is that cops categorically mistreat black people. And this argument is absolute BS. So as you said "an issue that doesn't exist". Yet here you are fighting for it. I don't have any relatives in LE, but I had a friend that did, and I do feel compassion for the challenges they face. I'm pretty sure you don't have that perspective as you seem quite callous.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:50 pm to novabill
They don't care who assaults them, they are just trying to get you riled up then assault them. If you don't, and call police, their goal is to get assaulted or arrested and sue the police.
Again, they are just agitators no different than the preachers on microphones outside sporting events.
Again, they are just agitators no different than the preachers on microphones outside sporting events.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:51 pm to mjfrog93
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Wow, you seem to be all in on the Audit thing. F the police, I guess
If I linked you a few different audits would you watch them? You’d see these aren’t good cops and the auditor is doing a favor to the communities exposing the behavior of public officials. My father is retired LEO fwiw. Huge respect to our first responders.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:52 pm to mjfrog93
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Yes most of them are dbags but why would a fed show people what their first amendment rights are? Stupid post. Post less please
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