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re: Federal Judge rules Kentucky must recognize gay marriages from other states

Posted on 2/12/14 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 3:46 pm to
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asurob1


If being oppressed was a full time job, then you would be a millionaire in a matter of weeks.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 3:50 pm to
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The tyranny of the majority is almost at it's end.



So tyranny of the minority is better?
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26366 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:32 pm to
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So tyranny of the minority is better?



Do you know the definition of tyranny?
Posted by Rebellious
Member since Dec 2013
198 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:07 pm to
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Then, someone from a state banning gay marriage will file suit and then U.S. Supreme Court, based on their previous precedent, will force the state to recognize and affirm all gay marriage in all 50 states. Actually, those suits have already been filed. It is just a matter of time. 2-3 years at the most.


This. So why not just get used to it? The sky has not fallen in the states and countries that have legalized same-sex marriage and I dare say it has not had any negative effect on anybody who is not gay.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 5:09 pm to
More proof that the US died with Marbury v. Madison.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:59 pm to
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You can't treat a certain group of citizens differently without proving a substantial state interest being involved.



Utah and Oklahoma's bans have been struck down this year. Kentucky must now recognize same sex marriages performed in other states. Rulings will be coming shortly for Texas, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

Have you been paying attention to what's happening out west? Nevada this week announced it is refusing to defend its gay marriage ban after the Ninth Circuit ruled in an unrelated case that gay discrimination cases must be subjected to "heightened scrutiny". This is HUGE. In addition to Nevada, this is going to pave the way for bans to be struck down in Arizona, Oregon, Alaska,
Idaho, and Montana.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:00 pm to
Woohoo!!!!! All that matters in the entire world!
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:03 pm to
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Have you been paying attention to what's happening out west?


Toddy, no matter what this or any forum may look like, most people just don't care.....
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:19 pm to
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Toddy, no matter what this or any forum may look like, most people just don't care.....



I'm sure Mickey cares and that's why I directed the question to him. A LOT of people do care. You know, the people that these laws directly affect.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:20 pm to
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That is still the law of the land and constitutional per the Supreme Court


You and your logic can GTFO!!!!
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22853 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:27 pm to
After reading the opinion I find it interesting that not once in this opinion does the judge mention Section 2 of DOMA. A section that was not found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and a section that says, explicitly, that states do not have to recognize any marriage from another state.

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Section 2. Powers reserved to the states
No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.


I support gay marriage but hate that the way other supporters are going about getting it legalized.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 8:28 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:30 pm to
How do they handle the fact that some states recognize marriages between first cousins and other states don't? That would be the most relevant precedent.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:31 pm to
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After reading the opinion I find it interesting that not once in this opinion does the judge mention Section 2 of DOMA. A section that was not found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and a section that says, explicitly, that states do not have to recognize any marriage from another state.



A case challenging Section 2 has never been brought before the SCOTUS. They haven't ruled on Section 2 (yet). Only Section 3 has been challenged before the SCOTUS
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22853 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:33 pm to
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How do they handle the fact that some states recognize marriages between first cousins and other states don't? That would be the most relevant precedent.


Kentucky does not recognize out of state marriages between first cousins. LINK
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Kentucky does not recognize such a marriage between first cousins even if it is consummated in another state
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22853 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:34 pm to
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A case challenging Section 2 has never been brought before the SCOTUS. They haven't ruled on Section 2 (yet). Only Section 3 has been challenged before the SCOTUS

Thus it is still constitutional and the law of the land. I find it convenient that federal courts are ignoring Section 2 in order to further the goal of gay marriage through judicial ruling.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:37 pm to
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Woohoo!!!!! All that matters in the entire world!


If you are a gay person wanting to marry the person you love...then yes.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84873 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:40 pm to
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If you are a gay person wanting to marry the person you love...then yes.
I support gay marriage but this shite is getting old, ENDA will be next in this money generating machine, it will never end.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:51 pm to
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ENDA will be next in this money generating machine, it will never end.



Obama is going to issue an executive order regarding ENDA before he leaves office. You can bank on that.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84873 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:54 pm to
Great.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466849 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 9:44 pm to
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The sky has not fallen in the states and countries that have legalized same-sex marriage and I dare say it has not had any negative effect on anybody who is not gay.


the legal precedents being set are terrible and, ironically, anti-liberty. just wait for it (just like the CRA)

i believe in gay marriage, but the methods being used to achieve this goal are terrible and i cannot support them
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 9:45 pm
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