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re: FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:22 pm to
So your logical fallacy is to ask me to defend statements I didn't make, reference, or allude to in any way?
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:25 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:25 pm to
A cord cutter is not costing an ISP any more to stream games than the 80 year old grandma who just browses Facebook on a nightly basis

He's literally arguing against something he doesn't understand.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:26 pm to
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A cord cutter is not costing an ISP any more to stream games than the 80 year old grandma who just browses Facebook on a nightly basis


So the cost of data transmission is the same no matter the amount or frequency?
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:27 pm to
why...because he wants his buddies at Verizon and the like to have an unfair advantage and control.

plain and simple, you cant have the above when the only rule is everyone is equal as it is now.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:28 pm to
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Pass the fricking thing and it will be problem solved. Reading some shite from 3 years ago doesn't do anything.

You seem to have a real issue grasping the difference.




You just asked to show you legislation to fix the problem and you'd support it. I gave you an example. You aren't supporting it.
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Give me the legislative fix that preserves net neutrality while allowing for the reversal of the title 2 classification, and I'll happily support it.


Yea, I'm the one having issues here.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:29 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

A cord cutter is not costing an ISP any more to stream games than the 80 year old grandma who just browses Facebook on a nightly basis

He's literally arguing against something he doesn't understand.




Dude don't bother

They think data caps are a must
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:29 pm to
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Reading some shite from 3 years ago doesn't do anything. 


I dont think you grasp that the excessive regulations were as important or more important to bureaucrats and lawmakers as any throttling issue.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:31 pm to
1G of data in an urban setting is cheap due to the distance, 1 G of data in the country could mean maintaining miles of infrastructure, so in that setting, the price varies wildly.

if you're just referring to the amount of money spent on the electricity to run the devices and transmit the data it's really low. like less than a cent.


its all overhead and infastructure
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:32 pm to
and in the US, at least, we the taxpayers already paid $200 BILLION towards those infrastructure costs as part of the government's deal to promote infrastructure expansion, urban and rural
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:33 pm to
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I dont think you grasp that the excessive regulations were as important or more important to bureaucrats and lawmakers as ant throttling issue.


The key to the whole thing is the title 2 classification. That is what the government wants. They want all the managerial authority that title 2 gives them. They could give two shits about fast lanes or throttling.
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:34 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:26 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:35 pm to
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Dude don't bother

They think data caps are a must




we'd actually pay less if we had metered Internet at rates reasonably related to the actual cost.

these people are dumbasses though so im not surprised
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:35 pm to
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Proposed legislation from 2014 is not proposed legislation today and it sure as hell isn't actual, enforceable law.

If you want me to support three year old dead legislation, I'm going to need to borrow your time machine.




Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:38 pm to
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Proposed legislation from 2014 is not proposed legislation today


It could be youve asked for better ways, this is one
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:39 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:26 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:40 pm to
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It could be youve asked for better ways, this is one


Its like he/she thinks that because it isn't currently on the floor that it won't happen or that we're okay that it isn't happening. I don't get it. I think legislation like that would be perfect and if it doesn't happen, I'll be furious.

That being said, that legislation has no bearing on weather or not I want ISPs regulated as Title 2.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:41 pm to
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Thanks for finally being honest about your republican net neutrality fix being a line of bullshite.


Wut

The governments interest is control, period. Make the go back and offer better legislation
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41021 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:41 pm to
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Thanks for finally being honest about your republican net neutrality fix being a line of bullshite.




When did I say anything about them? They actually proposed legislation that was a good idea. They didn't want the Title 2 classification. That was the Dems 100%. So, nice try.

ETA: To your point though, are you agreeing now that the current solution is bullshite too?
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:43 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:44 pm to
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like he/she thinks that because it isn't currently on the floor that it won't happen or that we're okay that it isn't happening. I don't get it. I think legislation like that would be perfect and if it doesn't happen, I'll be furious. 


That person is just outraged and wants to remain outraged on some silly political party bullshite.
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