re: Facts about Ivermectin from an ICU Nurse

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And most of the residents now have natural antibodies.

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There is no way that most nursing home patients have natural antibodies but 20 and 30 year olds that have been running around the entire pandemic are still getting it at a high clip. There is still a huge pool of nursing home and old vulnerable patients that only have vaccine immunity.

The vaccine clearly decreases the chances of hospitalization and death. I appreciate your anecdotal experience but I’m not ready to believe all the numbers are completely cooked by all these independent hospital systems. How many people would have to be in on that conspiracy?

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I respect your opinion and agree with most everything else you have said, but if the vaccine isn’t doing anything why aren’t we seeing a bunch of old people dying like the last wave? The nursing homes where most vulnerable people are aren’t getting crushed.

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So, I’m not exactly in the same boat but maybe a little closer to it than some others.


Totally healthy 38 year hasn’t gotten the vaccine. I’ll ask if they have. They say no. I’ll offer any help/guidance or answer any questions they have on it, but it’s hard to come up with a big reason FOR that person to have it. Vaccinated folks transmit it. It is thought to be less than the unvaccinated, but that’s not really traceable or provable. I’ve probably seen fewer than 5 totally healthy sub40 folks in the hospital. I don’t necessarily see many side effects from the vaccine- I honestly can’t think of one vaccine complication short of the night of/day after “ickies.” I would still generally recommend it for them. But if they are hesitant, it’s not like arguing with a 60 something year old diabetic with an a1c of 9 maxed out on other therapies who won’t go on insulin because she thinks that what killed her parents and doesn’t want to get it (actually saw this patient. She did accept mAb therapy when she tested positive though).


The group I have an even more difficult time with right now is the post-infected unvaccinated who are down in that age group and healthy. It is particularly hard to really recommend it, as there is very limited data on them, and there is a decent amount of data on lack of reinfection (which does occur, but rarely. And rarely seriously in this group).


What makes it even harder is the general amount of shite research pushing positive results that are rushed just to get published and get things out there. I’m young (33), but I imagine it’s actually much more like being a doc in the days before the big push for “evidence based” medicine.

My rule of thumbs are:

Everyone 50 and older.

30 and older if you have risk factors or a healthcare worker.

20 and older if you have very specific risk factors like severe obesity.

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Totally healthy 38 year hasn’t gotten the vaccine. I’ll ask if they have. They say no. I’ll offer any help/guidance or answer any questions they have on it, but it’s hard to come up with a big reason FOR that person to have it.

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I should clarify.

I don’t think young healthy people necessarily need the vaccine.

I’m ONLY pushing back on his claim that he thinks the vaccine doesn’t do anything.

That’s it.

“Full of shite” doesn’t mean they’re intentionally lying. They’re just full of shite. Touting your anecdotal experience as fact (like proclaiming all these elderly patients have natural antibodies) makes him full of shite.

Rebuttals to arguments originally made without fact require no fact.

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Many don't realize the ban of filling it for COVID is gone and the American Journal of Medicine considers it safe and effective for COVID.

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Link?

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My rule of thumbs are:

Everyone 50 and older.

30 and older if you have risk factors or a healthcare worker.

20 and older if you have very specific risk factors like severe obesity.

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And that was generally my guidelines. It's just that I've seen soooo many thrombotic events and auto-immune issues with them, it makes the decision on how to advise someone much more difficult. And I realize that although we have a large volume of pt's, it's still a tiny number in the grand scheme of things. MI's and CVA's in young people with no history or risks factors. Granted, COVID does as well. I at least counsel mine to be aware of the increased risks and recommend aspirin as well as educated them on signs and symptoms to watch for.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying I don't know and I can't lie to my pt's and tell them that getting the vaccine is the best idea for them. Especially when I've had such phenomenal success with HCQ, Ivermectin, and the monoclonal antibodies.

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Link?

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Look it up. It came out the week after my dad was buried. We put him to rest on 1-16-2021. It was like adding insult to injury.

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The only people I would vaccinate who’ve had covid are fat healthcare workers.

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Well there goes all our nurses.