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re: Explain how the ‘Deep State’ was formed?

Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:20 pm to
I've posted the Mueller Iraq video probably 4-5 times and not a single liberal has responded to it.
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:20 pm to
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All of these orthodoxies make a small number of people (defense contractors, tech companies, lobbyists, etc.) a ton of money. These people in turn get candidates on the ballot and use their donations and support to control them. That is the Deep State: an unelected group of people who actually control public policy on a wide array of issues.


If people didn’t learn anything after the financial crisis and subsequent bailouts of 2008/2009 they’ll struggle to understand where the deep state power originates.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:22 pm to
Again, great answer to the OPs question, bum.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:23 pm to
I don't think there is a single perfect answer to how it was formed, I think there is a pretty logical answer for how/why it functions.

What's your take?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:24 pm to
My take is you repeat talking points without a clue what the frick you’re talking about.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:25 pm to
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Was there some grand conspiracy like the Illuminati who controlled people’s brains to elect the current congress


There didn't need to be a conspiracy. All that needed to happen was the following

1. Voters willingly asking elected officials to pass more and more programs and more and more Regulatory Agencies

2. Those agencies become populated with people who hold significant power but are Unelected and anonymous

3. Inertia. The agencies become so intertwined into the fabric of American Life that even elected officials aren't entirely sure of their reach

4. Longevity. Beyond the top appointed people the rest of the top people are career bureaucrats who possess a great deal of power within their area of operations

5. Power corrupts.

It's not even really a left right thing other than the left preferring bigger government

The reality is that these agencies now exist for two reasons. The first theoretically being there original reason for existing and the second being to maintain their existence.

When you are talking about a government that is three and a half trillion to 4 trillion in size that is a completely impossible facet to get your arms around
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:26 pm to
What about my statement do you take issue with? Or are you just going to act like a smarmy queer?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:28 pm to
I take issue with the fact you can’t answer OPs question. You can’t answer it.

Just more OMG deep state!!!!!!!!
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:30 pm to
I've said repeatedly in this thread that there is no conspiracy. I do think that because the size of our government and longevity of careers that many in it, especially in intelligence and law enforcement, think they are above the citizens and being accountable to an elected President.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:31 pm to
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society sworn to destroy the President

Secretly sworn? Like some sort of insurance policy?
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:31 pm to
The reason that this is bullshite though is because Trump supporters are using the term "deep state" even to describe warrants obtained by Trump appointees. The term is being used to dismiss the consensus position of the intelligence community. The term is being used to attack the motives of the FBI and it's leadership. The motivation is clear. The only malfeasance occurring here is Trump and his supporters undermining our institutions for political expediency.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:32 pm to
Saying Trump supporters as if it's a blanket term and applicable to millions of people is dumb. Again, you are trying to use a straw man.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:32 pm to
I hope someone has mentioned the SES. Thanks Jimmy Carter.
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:35 pm to
It's the position of the administration and its parroted by pundits and supporters on here daily. You are reaching in suggesting this position isn't representative of his core support.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:35 pm to
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The reason that this is bullshite though is because Trump supporters are using the term "deep state" even to describe warrants obtained by Trump appointees


I was speaking to the general concept because the general concept preceded Trump and will continue after him.

As to the rest of your post I just find it amusing that the left has a newfound for the intelligence community

The bottom line is that we sort of have two governments. We have the one we elect periodically and we have the behemoth that Marches On no matter who is in office

That behemoth doesn't really care who wins as long as whoever wins doesn't frick with them

But make no mistake. Those agencies don't View the elected officials as their bosses. They all view their agencies as of prime importance and will defend them against all enemies foreign and domestic. Yes I know I used that phrase. Unfortunately the agencies use it in a slightly different manner
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:36 pm to
It was also a core tenant of 2002-2008 Democratic policy to treat those who pitched the Iraqi war as criminals. Do you still take up that banner today re. Mueller?
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:38 pm to
I'll need some evidence that the Democrats painted Mueller as a criminal otherwise I simply have no idea what you are suggesting.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:38 pm to
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It was also a core tenant of 2002-2008 Democratic policy to treat those who pitched the Iraqi war as criminals. Do you still take up that banner today re. Mueller


Nope. Now the intelligence agencies are completely above reproach and could not possibly be manipulated by those in power or take Shady actions on their own
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:41 pm to
Are you saying Mueller, the IC, and Bush did not lie to get us into Iraq? That they just went with the intelligence they had? That's a refreshing bit of honesty, if so.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 3:43 pm to
Watch the video I posted earlier in this thread. Mueller spits out the exact reasoning for invading Iraq that were described as blatant lies by the left.
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