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Ending "Trump is no conservative"
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:33 pm
Since I responded in another thread and hose people ran, I thought we could move it to a thread specifically about it.
There are variants of conservatism. The main one talked about here is Fiscal(though not understood).
Conservatism morphed under Clinton due to the social issues facing that time. Social conservatives came to the front lines.
Since the Obama Admin, the people who claimed to be conservative gave in to many liberal social issues. For the sake of the GOP... they sought to push those people out. If you accept LBGT as normal, you are NOT conservative by your own logic. THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS that do not understand what conservatism is.
Nigel Farage said something GREAT at CPAC. He stated (paraphrase) that we are seeing the return of Nation states. Globalism is a new endeavor. Turning back toward Statehood is a conservative idea.
THESE ARE THE VARIOUS FORMS
There is Liberal Conservatism that exalts three tenets of Burkean conservatism, namely the diffidence toward the power of the state, the preference of liberty over equality and patriotism, while rejecting the three remaining tenets, namely loyalty to traditional institutions and hierarchies, scepticism regarding progress and elitism.
It is the Liberal Conservatism that the GOP adopted. it is what MOST here have been taught and believe conservatism to be. Yep.. You are part liberal!
Fiscal conservatism states that government action should focus on moral and social questions and oppose government action to help the poor, to regulate the economy, or to protect the environment. They believe that government programs that seek to provide services and opportunities for the poor actually encourage dependence and reduce self-reliance. It is a political-economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility advocating low taxes, reduced government spending and minimal government debt. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and privatization are defining qualities of fiscal conservatism. Fiscal conservatism follows the same philosophical outlook of classical liberalism and economic liberalism regarding fiscal matters.
Yep... You have some Liberal blood in you.
The last one I want to talk about is National conservatism. It is heavily oriented towards the traditional family and social stability as well as in favour of limiting immigration. It promotes patriotism as well as enacting law-and-order policies. National conservatives can be distinguished from fiscal conservatives in free market economic policies.
Find Trump in those. To say Trump isn't conservative is simply not true.
1- He's not falling under the Liberal Conservatism in that he is promoting patriotism. But has a toe in it because he does reject the elitism and progressive policies.
2- Fiscal... Alot of his policies do fall here. He's all about self reliance. He's for lowering taxes, minimal Gov debt, Deregulation.
3- He is huge in to family, Social stability, Limiting immigration, promotes patriotism, he is the law and order guy and he is a fair trade guy.
So again.. Trump is more conservative than ANY BUSH has ever been. He is more conservative then most of the GOPE. He is more conservative than many here who think they are conservative and the only ones who can fall under the label.
There are variants of conservatism. The main one talked about here is Fiscal(though not understood).
Conservatism morphed under Clinton due to the social issues facing that time. Social conservatives came to the front lines.
Since the Obama Admin, the people who claimed to be conservative gave in to many liberal social issues. For the sake of the GOP... they sought to push those people out. If you accept LBGT as normal, you are NOT conservative by your own logic. THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS that do not understand what conservatism is.
Nigel Farage said something GREAT at CPAC. He stated (paraphrase) that we are seeing the return of Nation states. Globalism is a new endeavor. Turning back toward Statehood is a conservative idea.
THESE ARE THE VARIOUS FORMS
There is Liberal Conservatism that exalts three tenets of Burkean conservatism, namely the diffidence toward the power of the state, the preference of liberty over equality and patriotism, while rejecting the three remaining tenets, namely loyalty to traditional institutions and hierarchies, scepticism regarding progress and elitism.
It is the Liberal Conservatism that the GOP adopted. it is what MOST here have been taught and believe conservatism to be. Yep.. You are part liberal!
Fiscal conservatism states that government action should focus on moral and social questions and oppose government action to help the poor, to regulate the economy, or to protect the environment. They believe that government programs that seek to provide services and opportunities for the poor actually encourage dependence and reduce self-reliance. It is a political-economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility advocating low taxes, reduced government spending and minimal government debt. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and privatization are defining qualities of fiscal conservatism. Fiscal conservatism follows the same philosophical outlook of classical liberalism and economic liberalism regarding fiscal matters.
Yep... You have some Liberal blood in you.
The last one I want to talk about is National conservatism. It is heavily oriented towards the traditional family and social stability as well as in favour of limiting immigration. It promotes patriotism as well as enacting law-and-order policies. National conservatives can be distinguished from fiscal conservatives in free market economic policies.
Find Trump in those. To say Trump isn't conservative is simply not true.
1- He's not falling under the Liberal Conservatism in that he is promoting patriotism. But has a toe in it because he does reject the elitism and progressive policies.
2- Fiscal... Alot of his policies do fall here. He's all about self reliance. He's for lowering taxes, minimal Gov debt, Deregulation.
3- He is huge in to family, Social stability, Limiting immigration, promotes patriotism, he is the law and order guy and he is a fair trade guy.
So again.. Trump is more conservative than ANY BUSH has ever been. He is more conservative then most of the GOPE. He is more conservative than many here who think they are conservative and the only ones who can fall under the label.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:36 pm to Jjdoc
I don't need this argument. I doubt many Trump voters, myself included, voted for him because he was "conservative". He was what we needed, and we got him.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:38 pm to DumbCollegeKid
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:42 pm to The Baker
quote:So "Trump is no conservative" is not endingquote:Exactly, I'm not bending over backwards trying to rhetorically squeeze trump into this "conservative" label. He's there to kick some arse, and that's why I voted for him
I don't need this argument. I doubt many Trump voters, myself included, voted for him because he was "conservative". He was what we needed, and we got him.
THIS WHOLE THREAD IS A LIE
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:44 pm to Kafka
Well...yeah. I would have voted for Cruz if I wanted the traditional conservative. I liked Cruz. We needed someone willing to punch back, long term, and that was the Don.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:44 pm to Jjdoc
Yeah that's good and all...what I think most people want is to slash the alphabet soup bureaucracy that is running rampant. Give more power to congress. Return the balance of power that this republic was built on. Stop letting federal courts legislate from the bench. Completely cut spending, lower taxes. I'm for free trade, it greatly benefits the American consumer. If you want jobs to come back here cut regulations, and take out the federal minimum wage.
The military should be taken care of, we must remain the strongest military in the world.
On social issues, I think most draw the line at the tranny bathroom thing. Although, I kinda don't feel like if you are gay you shouldn't be able to adopt because you can't get pregnant from gay sex. But most would work with that. Also, the abortion aspect, I don't know a single conservative that is alright with abortion. We have got to find a way to get legal murder of children into the past. That is a huge black mark on our history to me.
A lot of what the federal government is doing should be dealt with by the states. Get the Feds out of states, this republic was meant for the states to have power, too. The federal government was never supposed to be this big.
So, no, I don't think Trump is a conservative. I don't know what the frick he is. I voted for him, was a Cruz guy in the primary but I felt alright voting for him. I think he does some very conservative things and then can turn around and do some not so conservative things.
The military should be taken care of, we must remain the strongest military in the world.
On social issues, I think most draw the line at the tranny bathroom thing. Although, I kinda don't feel like if you are gay you shouldn't be able to adopt because you can't get pregnant from gay sex. But most would work with that. Also, the abortion aspect, I don't know a single conservative that is alright with abortion. We have got to find a way to get legal murder of children into the past. That is a huge black mark on our history to me.
A lot of what the federal government is doing should be dealt with by the states. Get the Feds out of states, this republic was meant for the states to have power, too. The federal government was never supposed to be this big.
So, no, I don't think Trump is a conservative. I don't know what the frick he is. I voted for him, was a Cruz guy in the primary but I felt alright voting for him. I think he does some very conservative things and then can turn around and do some not so conservative things.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:50 pm to Jjdoc
Your points were retarded garbage. I'll get to them tomorrow and carefully dissect how you're completely wrong.
And trust me no political analyst but Sean Hannity would call him conservative, regardless of their affiliation. Milo and Bill Maher agreed last week that he was not a conservative. Van Jones and Alex Jones would agree with this as well. For you, you just think anyone who you agree with is conservative. Trump is incredibly far from being a conservative and your points against mine were totally incoherent.
I'll respond to this tomorrow and put you in your place, just like literally every single person in the media, mainstream or otherwise, agrees with me. Only people who don't know dick about politics can possibly argue that Trump is conservative. Hell, I am not even sure Trump himself would say he was if directly asked.
And trust me no political analyst but Sean Hannity would call him conservative, regardless of their affiliation. Milo and Bill Maher agreed last week that he was not a conservative. Van Jones and Alex Jones would agree with this as well. For you, you just think anyone who you agree with is conservative. Trump is incredibly far from being a conservative and your points against mine were totally incoherent.
I'll respond to this tomorrow and put you in your place, just like literally every single person in the media, mainstream or otherwise, agrees with me. Only people who don't know dick about politics can possibly argue that Trump is conservative. Hell, I am not even sure Trump himself would say he was if directly asked.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:52 pm to The Baker
quote:
Exactly, I'm not bending over backwards trying to rhetorically squeeze trump into this "conservative" label. He's there to kick some arse, and that's why I voted for him.
Yeah, I have no problem with this mentality. But I doubt anyone who thinks he is actually conservative could properly pour a bowl of cereal without fricking it up.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:53 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Watch out... You are missing the Social Conservative tenant.... therefore, according to the threshold set by some here, you ARE NOT a conservative.
Trump is a National Conservative with Fiscal leanings. The major difference under the Umbrella named "Conservative" is on trade and immigration.
Fiscals want absolute free trade and immigration wide open.
Nationals want fair trade based on a free market and limited immigration. Fair trade results in free trade when it is FAIR. When it is not, they defend our National interests
Trump is a National Conservative with Fiscal leanings. The major difference under the Umbrella named "Conservative" is on trade and immigration.
Fiscals want absolute free trade and immigration wide open.
Nationals want fair trade based on a free market and limited immigration. Fair trade results in free trade when it is FAIR. When it is not, they defend our National interests
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:53 pm to OMLandshark
His cabinet is.
I wonder who would have selected a more conservative one.
Anybody who thinks it is deficient regarding how conservative it is shares traits with the kooks pulling the dems so far left.
I wonder who would have selected a more conservative one.
Anybody who thinks it is deficient regarding how conservative it is shares traits with the kooks pulling the dems so far left.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:53 pm to DumbCollegeKid
quote:
I don't need this argument. I doubt many Trump voters, myself included, voted for him because he was "conservative". He was what we needed, and we got him.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:54 pm to OMLandshark
I hate agreeing with you on principle, but I agree with you here. He isn't conservative. He is a stalwart in the culture war, which mattered more to me than anything.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:57 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
Your points were retarded garbage. I'll get to them tomorrow and carefully dissect how you're completely wrong.
No you want. You have made multiple posts and in that time you could have made the case. You can't because I gave you actual meanings of those variants. Then I showed you his ACTIONS and they clearly fall under those.
quote:
Only people who don't know dick about politics can possibly argue that Trump is conservative.
I go way back..... Like I stated. You can't argue anything that I just pointed out.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:59 pm to DumbCollegeKid
quote:
I hate agreeing with you on principle, but I agree with you here. He isn't conservative. He is a stalwart in the culture war, which mattered more to me than anything.
And that's totally fine. I always wanted a third party candidate to win the White House, I just didn't want it to be Trump. Trump was without question the most liberal of all 17 candidates he ran against in the primaries. And that's ok, but please don't have the balls to come up to me and say he's a textbook conservative. You insult my and literally the country at large's intelligence by doing that. Let's just admit that he's not and how he can best help out the country.
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 12:01 am
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:01 am to DumbCollegeKid
quote:
hate agreeing with you on principle, but I agree with you here. He isn't conservative.
I have given you the very definition of those variants. I challenge you to help him out and prove he doe not fall under conservatism.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:02 am to Jjdoc
Before I begin... Do you need him to be conservative?
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:04 am to Jjdoc
You are complicating something that shouldn't be complicated.
Trump isn't conservative. End of thread.
Trump isn't conservative. End of thread.
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