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re: Electric chair could return for executions in Louisiana
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:50 pm to Fishwater
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:50 pm to Fishwater
quote:
For all you who support the death penalty, do you actually trust our justice system in Louisiana to not execute an innocent man?
Of course, when the government is deciding the life or death of one of its citizens, it is infallible.
Sincerely,
The Statists
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Not revenge. Some have committed crimes so heinous they have lost the right to inhabit the earth the rest of humanity IMO.
Right. So they can live out their life in prison. Not with "the rest of humanity"
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Of course, when the government is deciding the life or death of one of its citizens, it is infallible.
The "government" doesn't sentence people to death in Louisiana.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:54 pm to Sentrius
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its beyond and without a reasonable doubt.
I think death should have more stringent criteria - like NO doubt. Its finality requires it. Since there cannot be no doubt, the state should not have the power.
There is no wriggle room here, if you grant the state that power, you can in no way be considered a true 'conservative'.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:55 pm to Powerman
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Right. So they can live out their life in prison. Not with "the rest of humanity"
That's one option. Of course it's more expensive and IMO worse than death. If I were sentenced to life in prison they would have to shoot me during an escape attempt.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:55 pm to Sentrius
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It's why the death penalty should only be used where guilt is not even close to debatable and its beyond and without a reasonable doubt.
So what you mean by that is essentially 100% of murder convictions
quote:
Just because I support the death penalty doesn't mean I support the state going all over the place with it. Taking a life is a heavy thing and should not be taken lightly.
And this is the beef I have with most conservatives here. Constant hand wringing about how the government can't get anything right. Constant rhetoric about how the general public is stupid. Now all of a sudden with someone's life in the balance you're going to put 100% faith in the government and a jury of 12 to decide if someone should live or die. If you think that government is incompetent you should DEFINITELY be against the death penalty.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:57 pm to Powerman
quote:These are not the government.
jury of 12 to decide
Posted on 2/2/14 at 2:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Since there cannot be no doubt, the state should not have the power.
There is no wriggle room here, if you grant the state that power, you can in no way be considered a true 'conservative'.
Holy frick dude. The state does not have the power to sentence anyone to death. In fact the only power the state has in the death penalty is to stay or commute it.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:04 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Holy frick dude. The state does not have the power to sentence anyone to death. In fact the only power the state has in the death penalty is to stay or commute it.
Holy frick, dude, whose budget does the electric bill for Gruesome Gerty come from? Louisiana Department of Corrections or the Chamber of Commerce?
The state has the power to disallow juries voting for the death penalty. The state actively works to convince juries to send people to their deaths. The state carrries out the sentence. the state pays the electric bill.
Do you think the state is infallible in its prosecution of a death penalty case in front of a jury?
Your point is a dodge.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:05 pm to Powerman
quote:
And this is the beef I have with most conservatives here. Constant hand wringing about how the government can't get anything right. Constant rhetoric about how the general public is stupid. Now all of a sudden with someone's life in the balance you're going to put 100% faith in the government and a jury of 12 to decide if someone should live or die. If you think that government is incompetent you should DEFINITELY be against the death penalty.
Exactly that.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:07 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Of course it's more expensive and IMO worse than death.
If you want a place at the table you're going to have to prove you can use utensils first.
It's common knowledge that it is NOT more expensive to put someone in prison for life. It is in fact cheaper to do that than it is to execute them in most cases because of the appeals process.
This is very basic information that everyone should be informed with before even entering a discussion on the death penalty.
quote:
If I were sentenced to life in prison they would have to shoot me during an escape attempt.
Right. So the idea that they are getting more justice from death is silly. I'd rather be shot between the eyes than spend the next year in prison much less the next 50.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:08 pm to Powerman
quote:
If you want a place at the table you're going to have to prove you can use utensils first.
quote:And you call other people cunts.
This is very basic information that everyone should be informed with before even entering a discussion on the death penalty.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Of course, when the government is deciding the life or death of one of its citizens, it is infallible.
Who said it was infallible? The jury system is what it is. If you have problems with a jury of your peers, that's a different matter than whether the death penalty is justified.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Look, I'm a small government guy and believe they should be as unintrusive as possible. I guess you're an anarchist or something. In which case we will never agree.
The state=the people in the justice system. At least at the state and local level. The people elect judges and DAs and Sherriffs. I'm sorry we haven't always gotten it right.
The alternative is anarchy in which case vigilantism would rule. And vigilantes would get it wrong more than the current system. Or a completely state run system where the citizenry have zero control.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:16 pm to Powerman
quote:Agreed. It takes and incredible faith in government to favor the death penalty.
And this is the beef I have with most conservatives here. Constant hand wringing about how the government can't get anything right. Constant rhetoric about how the general public is stupid. Now all of a sudden with someone's life in the balance you're going to put 100% faith in the government and a jury of 12 to decide if someone should live or die. If you think that government is incompetent you should DEFINITELY be against the death penalty.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:18 pm to Powerman
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This is very basic information that everyone should be informed with before even entering a discussion on the death penalty.
It's also very fricking basic information that the state doesn't sentence people to death. But hey, they pay the fricking electric bill so that's the same thing.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:21 pm to Jbird
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These are not the government
Right. And if you read my post I referenced the constant claims of the general public being largely incompetent here (and I don't necessarily disagree)
But that being said, I don't think they should have the power to put someone on the path to execution
It doesn't benefit society in any way. It just placates the read meat crowd that loves their blood lust.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:23 pm to Powerman
quote:So I can only assume you are suggesting we do away with juries?
general public being largely incompetent here
quote:What a fricking idiotic statement.
It doesn't benefit society in any way. It just placates the read meat crowd that loves their blood lust.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:24 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:25 pm to Powerman
There are have too many recent cases of people being exonerate from Death Row due to new DNA evidence and there are cases of prosecutorial misconduct and people having incompetent defense attorneys for me to support the Death Penalty in its current form as practiced by the states.
Now in a socialist state I could see the death penalty being used in very rare cases of crimes agains the people.
Now in a socialist state I could see the death penalty being used in very rare cases of crimes agains the people.
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