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re: Economic Racism

Posted on 2/26/25 at 5:39 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26944 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 5:39 pm to
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What you described is something completely different from The Commons.


What I described is reality and will eventually happen if nobody owns anything.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10666 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 5:43 pm to
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Would you say that society still largely relies on Blacks to work low-skill, low-paying jobs?


Right now I would say that American society relies on illegal immigrants. But they are displacing blacks (we know that illegal immigration has a downward pressure on black wages in the inner city; there are studies on it).

What I would say is that someone has to work low skill jobs. That's true in a socialist society, a capitalist society, a corporatist society, or any other society.

In American society I think blacks have been a convenient and relatively easy group to manipulate due to the history of the country, but I don't think that manipulation has been engineered to produce a worker-bee class. If I'm wrong and that is the case, I think someone was wasting their time and energy.

There will always be people who lack the intelligence or the drive or the circumstances to rise above the lowest level of work skills. All on their own, no manipulation necessary.

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I can't argue with your own experiences as a hiring manager, but I think you've likely missed out on some stellar applicants by disregarding them based solely on their names.


Hold on, now, I was clear. That was a hypothetical purely for entertainment purposes. I didn't say I disregarded anyone due to their names.

But in that hypothetical universe, someone who did might respond by saying that sure, they might miss one or two great employees by those resumes falling to the bottom of the pile, but experience tells them that they would also avoid eight or ten problems by using that method for every one or two great employees they missed out on. And that ratio is totally worth it. Because the problems make more negative difference than the great employees make a positive difference, and it's not close.

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Condoleezza Rice would like a word.


Yep, they might miss out on Condoleezza. That's true.

And my experience doesn't include hiring employees with degrees from places like Stanford or Harvard, nor was I hiring for Secretary of State. I would think that hypothetical might look a little different.



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People don't name themselves.


Right, but that's kind of the point. They likely know something about the potential employee's parents, which means they likely know something about the family culture they come from.

When you hire people you have to read between the lines to form an opinion of someone. This is just one of the lines you have to read between.

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I intentionally gave my kids WASPy names, though.


Of course. You want them to succeed, or at the very least you don't want to unnecessarily make it harder for them. It's why first generation Asian parents name their kids Bill and Angie instead of a traditional Korean or Chinese name.

And look, I get the American black narrative. They were cut off from their traditional heritage. It's true, they were.

And it's human nature to be more willing to give something up voluntarily because you chose to rather than let go once someone has taken it from you involuntarily.

But it's also true that it just hurts black people to keep refusing to assimilate.

One of those "Facts don't care about your feelings" moments.

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I'm sorry - I legit didn't notice your posts in this thread yesterday. I enjoy engaging with you here.


Aw, shucks. I'm glad, I was starting to feel jealous.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3102 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:59 pm to
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I should have used the word “consumerism” instead


I still do not quite understand. We must consume to survive.

If you mean excessive consumption by an individual or group of individuals, that is a hard metric to measure. How does one calibrate that?

Even though I may not agree with the idea of excessive consumption, what we see today is not across economic lines, but rather age lines. Mellenials and Zoomers consume more resources than any other generation ever. Mellenials beat everyone.
....and this is regardless of economic standing.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 7:00 pm
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3102 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:00 pm to
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parcels of land


So take away the one thing that has allowed the common individual to amass wealth of any sort?
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3102 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:02 pm to
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Water free of microplastics.

Microplastics are even in rain water now


Very easily removed and not sure it is a hazard anyway.

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It would likely be for the comfort or convenience of some members of our species


See other post concerning consumption
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59230 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:17 pm to
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What I described is reality and will eventually happen if nobody owns anything.


You’re describing what will happen if you took away private property in this country today.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3102 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 7:06 am to
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You’re describing what will happen if you took away private property in this country today.


I do not have experience with commons. I do have about 10+ years of experience living with someone who grew up in commons.

She grew up in what is possibly the closest we will ever see to true socialism on a national scale....Yugoslavia.

It was not the USSR or any of its satellites. Those were state capitalist nations. A true danger of socialism/communism. Once that strong, central body consolidates the capital, it almost never doles it back out. That strong, central body owns all capital and becomes what is known as state capitalism. North Korea, Venezuela, and China of 30 years ago are examples.

Tito was elected president for life because he did not do that. He was indeed a dictator, but a somewhat benevelant one. Every older Yugoslavian I have talked to, be they Serb, Croat, or Bosnian, loved him. Truly loved him.

No one owned the property they lived in. It was granted to them by the company they worked for. Companies were socially owned. Once you were became a vested employee, the apartment was yours forever. But you still didn't own it at that time. You could not will it to your kids if you passed.

Of course once Tito passed, it was only a matter of time before Yugoslavia fell. The massive workers strikes of the late 70'/early 80's upset the worker to manager power balance. Workers assumed too much power and voted themselves benefits instead of investing back into the company as management wished.

For another instance of commons, but one closer to home, study the Amana Colonies in Iowa. They did good for awhile. Even produced Amana brand appliances. It only took 2-3 generations before it fell. The youth yearned for more. They wanted something they could call their own and not something shared.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59230 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:57 am to
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I still do not quite understand. We must consume to survive.



What do you mean? Yeah, we need water, food, oxygen to survive. Or do you mean we need trinkets made in China to survive?

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If you mean excessive consumption by an individual or group of individuals, that is a hard metric to measure. How does one calibrate that?



Looking at landfills might help? I'm not sure.


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Mellenials and Zoomers consume more resources than any other generation ever. Mellenials beat everyone.



How are you defining resources? Gen X currently spends more than any other generation.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59230 posts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:00 am to
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Very easily removed and not sure it is a hazard anyway.



Can fish remove them? Other wildlife? We aren't the only creatures that inhabit the planet. The increase in microplastics directly correlates with decreased fertility rates. I doubt corporations will allow any research about the harmful effects of microplastics to ever see the light of day, though.



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