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re: Down goes the Clean Power Plan!
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:54 pm to tedmarkuson
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:54 pm to tedmarkuson
But trump doesn't do anything
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:55 pm to MrLarson
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120 large trees on 1.3 acres Do What?
Only one problem. I cannot grow tomatoes. There isn't a spot that gets enough sunlight.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:57 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Not supporting regulatory overreach =/= wanting to destroy the earth.
Hypothetical question: if a low income family in rural Louisiana can buy fossil fuel-based electricity for under $0.10 per kilowatt-hour or renewable energy for $0.15 per kilowatt-hour, would you force them to pay the higher amount in the interest of clean energy?
Hypothetical question: if a low income family in rural Louisiana can buy fossil fuel-based electricity for under $0.10 per kilowatt-hour or renewable energy for $0.15 per kilowatt-hour, would you force them to pay the higher amount in the interest of clean energy?
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 12:59 pm to Rougarou13
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You know CO2 levels were 5 times higher than today during prehistoric times?
Prove that's a bad thing. Prove it is a thing at all. How do you know the plants weren't less dense back them. Prove there was more oxygen.
Anything
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:19 pm to the LSUSaint
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Prove that's a bad thing
I think you misread my post. Gotta read past the first sentence.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:45 pm to Centinel
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It increases the cost of energy. Energy costs disproportionately impact the poor.
So the providers are not to blame for the high costs?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:50 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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So the providers are not to blame for the high costs?
Let's say it takes Duke Energy $.15 per KWH to produce power using coal. It takes $.35 per KWH to produce power using wind/solar. It averages out to lets say $.20 per KWH overall and they sell to the consumer at $.25 per KWH. This numbers are all hypothetical, but not the cost difference to produce the power.
The government mandates Duke can no longer produce power using coal.
What do you think happens to the price of power, and who do you feel is responsible for that cost increase?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:02 pm to Centinel
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Centinel
Let's not use hypotheticals. Let's use real data.
So energy providers are making record profits because the government is making them use newer cleaner methods of energy production?
How do you explain the record profits? It would seem to me that the greed of the energy company doesn't want to pass on the benefit to the consumer.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:05 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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So energy providers are making record profits because the government is making them use newer cleaner methods of energy production? How do you explain the record profits? It would seem to me that the greed of the energy company doesn't want to pass on the benefit to the consumer.
Green energy (solar, wind) is not making record profits. They must be subsidized by the taxpayer and they are still failing.
Traditional energy is doing well because green energy does not work. And Trad companies innovate instead of sucking from the govt. tit.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:10 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Let's not use hypotheticals. Let's use real data.
So energy providers are making record profits because the government is making them use newer cleaner methods of energy production?
How do you explain the record profits? It would seem to me that the greed of the energy company doesn't want to pass on the benefit to the consumer.
This is all irrelevant.
It costs X to make Y.
It costs X+1 to make Z.
What happens when government dictates that you can no longer make Y and instead must only make Z. What does this do to prices?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:51 pm to Centinel
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What happens when government dictates that you can no longer make Y and instead must only make Z.
Innovation. If there is money to be made someone will fill that void. The problem with energy is no one wants to innovate. They want to keep milking the cash cow.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:52 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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The problem with energy is no one wants to innovate. They want to keep milking the cash cow.
You are starting to sound a little bit communist.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:53 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Innovation.
So they just wave the magic innovation wand and prices go down?
I mean are you seriously saying government can use regulation to cause innovation?
And that there's not only not a cost to this, it actually results in savings?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:11 pm to MrLarson
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You are starting to sound a little bit communist.
Or like Steve Jobs
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:13 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Steve Jobs
Doesn't sound any longer.
And, you are kinda a little bit commie. You have to admit that.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:18 pm to Centinel
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I mean are you seriously saying government can use regulation to cause innovation?
Yes, in certain cases such as telephone companies.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:22 pm to roadGator
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Doesn't sound any longer.
And, you are kinda a little bit commie. You have to admit that.
Nah. I just won't accept sucking corporate dick like most on this board.
If anything this board is full of corporate commies which is now a thing.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:22 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Denial
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:24 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Or like Steve Jobs
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:38 pm to MrLarson
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MrLarson
Are you call Jobs a commie?
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