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re: DOJ/Garland Does Not Want Landlords Sharing Rental Information
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:27 pm to ItzMe1972
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:27 pm to ItzMe1972
One can easily parse the classifieds to see how much market rent is within a certain area of a city.
That is not illegal.
Using AI to do this is certainly a gray area but using AI is legal in pretty much every other application, so why is this different?
That is not illegal.
Using AI to do this is certainly a gray area but using AI is legal in pretty much every other application, so why is this different?
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:27 pm to Bard
They're doing a little more than that, they are working with landlords to set prices in an area (ie: collude). This is completely counter to the idea behind free market competition.
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So they compile rental information to determine the market rate, then share it with other landlords?
Guess I'm missing a piece of this puzzle.
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So they compile rental information to determine the market rate, then share it with other landlords?
Guess I'm missing a piece of this puzzle.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:50 pm to ItzMe1972
Most conventional apartments use OneSite for their property management software. OneSite is also from Realpage and feeds directly into Yieldstar…which then uses unit by unit metrics that a leasing office wouldn’t be able to get by just picking up the phone and doing a “market survey” of their comps (i.e. how long specific units have sat vacant and complete rental history of each unit). It then compares this same info from all the other properties using Yieldstar.
Each day, the manager logs into Yieldstar and the dashboard gives a suggested price for all the vacant units. The manager can either accept the “suggestion” or ignore it (most accept it). Once accepted the price is automatically adjusted on the websites.
The system works when all the suggestions are accepted at the different apartment communities in the area using Yieldstar. The renter wouldn’t be able to shop a competitor hoping to find a similar unit at a cheaper price…it would essentially be the same or very near the same price.
Each day, the manager logs into Yieldstar and the dashboard gives a suggested price for all the vacant units. The manager can either accept the “suggestion” or ignore it (most accept it). Once accepted the price is automatically adjusted on the websites.
The system works when all the suggestions are accepted at the different apartment communities in the area using Yieldstar. The renter wouldn’t be able to shop a competitor hoping to find a similar unit at a cheaper price…it would essentially be the same or very near the same price.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:54 pm to ItzMe1972
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So they compile rental information to determine the market rate, then share it with other landlords?
Guess I'm missing a piece of this puzzle.
Same, would the DOJ/Garland have the same concerns if these landlords created a private FB group or held a Zoom meeting to share the same information? Seems to me this is an efficient way for business owners to do market research on their businesses. Of course, landlords who have been in the business for years make good money with rentals and/or selling when the market is "hot"? But any new landlords coming into the game are working with a very thin profit margin.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 3:56 pm to ItzMe1972
So they want me to charge a more reasonable rent? How about they rein in the property taxes I have to pay on each property, how about the insurance on the properties, (one property has gone from $650 to $1800 per year).
Pull back on some of these cost and I can cut rent by about $300-400 per rental unit.
Pull back on some of these cost and I can cut rent by about $300-400 per rental unit.
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 4:03 pm to David_DJS
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Does airbnb set prices for the property owners?
No. There is a software that will give you comps of similar units in your area. You can then come up with your base rate, minimum rate, and maximum rate, and then the system will use dynamic pricing which takes into consideration holidays and hotel pricing to determine demand. It will then set your pricing based on weekdays Vs weekends, etc.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 5:49 pm to ItzMe1972
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Guess I'm missing a piece of this puzzle.
You are.
You're missing the part where the complex owners no longer control their own pricing. They sigg that over to the company you are thinking only compiles/shares pricing data.
To be clear, the company compiling all the pricing data is doing so by also being the party that sets prices.
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 5:52 pm to ItzMe1972
I'm pretty concerned about them using non-public information. How are they getting that? That kind of information should be off-limits.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 5:58 pm to ItzMe1972
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The rent is too damn high
:correct:
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this is one of the reasons why,
:wrong:
Do something productive and bust up BlackRock.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:22 pm to deeprig9
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It seems to be more about the collusion aspect. All the landlords in an area getting together to fix prices. That's been illegal for a hundred years.
How would they even police that… we have the right to free association in this country.
So one St Bernard landlord can’t meet another landlord for lunch at Rocky’s? Or play golf together?
In the case of this program, wouldn’t it suggest a rate, and then the landlord has to sign off on it?
This post was edited on 8/23/24 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:25 pm to ItzMe1972
This is one of the exceedingly few areas where this administration is doing the right thing
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:31 pm to ItzMe1972
What's the real reason the corrupt, partisan DOJ is going after this company?
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:31 pm to David_DJS
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It's collusion.
Probably right
So what happens when AI can give you the same info in a few or so years? Will the DOJ go after their owners?
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:35 pm to chalmetteowl
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In the case of this program, wouldn’t it suggest a rate, and then the landlord has to sign off on it?
You're not understanding what's happening, or at least the actions that I'm familiar with that in my view are clearly illegal/anti-competitive.
Take the 25 apartment complexes closest to Arizona Sate University, and assume they're owned by 20 different groups. What's happening is these 20 different groups are assigning pricing policy to a third party, and that third party sets pricing for all 25 complexes. The owners have no choice here. They have zero control over their own pricing.
This is collusion/price fixing and clearly illegal.
Posted on 8/23/24 at 6:36 pm to OU Guy
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So what happens when AI can give you the same info in a few or so years? Will the DOJ go after their owners?
It's not the information sharing that's the problem. Hell, many (most?) complexes publish their rental rates.
The problem is having a single entity determine prices for everyone.
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