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re: Does anyone hope that the La. legislature will pass a "loser pays" law?

Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:39 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:39 pm to
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If you don't do 10% better at trial, you have to pay the other party's costs/fees.
I really like the sound of that. Thanks.

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This is rich coming from the number one defender of the Fed and financial industry when people say the same thing about them.
Please explain. I always ask how doing away with the Fed would improve our economic and financial system.

To date no one has been able to give me a halfway intelligent answer.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:42 pm to
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outside of boosie i don't think one plaintiff's attorney posted in this thread
That's irrelevant.

If the demand for lawyers' services goes down because there a fewer negotiated settlements and civil trials, all lawyers will be affected, not just plaintiff attorneys.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:45 pm to
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If the demand for lawyers' services goes down because there a fewer negotiated settlements and civil trials, all lawyers will be affected, not just plaintiff attorneys.


link?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:46 pm to
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To date no one has been able to give me a halfway intelligent answer.



You've had multiple people in the legal field address every damn "point" you have made. As per usual on this board, it is the same pro-insurance garbage that gets repeated over and over on the board. Neither did you show any factual evidence proving that this system has made any real dent in Alaksa.

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:49 pm to
Sort of related--

I wonder just what JBE would give the legislature in exchange for the authority to launch the class action lawsuit he wants to launch against oil companies? He wants to give the lawsuit out on contingency to his buddies--some of whom he elk hunts with. (Thank you Bobby Jindal for making those contingency deals on behalf of the state harder to do and thank you AG Landry for resisting.)

All these leeches watched the tobacco lawyers make fortunes and all want to find a way to do it again. No telling what would be waiting for JBE after he left office in exchange for such a lawsuit---I suspect a partnership for nothing in one of the successful law firms that would happen to get the lawsuit on behalf of the state.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:49 pm to
Russian is right is one sense on that. The insurance defense bar in Michigan was all for tort reform, but then they realized after the fact it sucked for their billables and hurt business.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:53 pm to
Michigan's system seems actually reasonable rather than assuming loser pays magically fixes things. Though admittedly I haven't read much in the actual impact of that system.

Also again, the demand my services is completely unrelated to torts period.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:53 pm to
It is true both defense and plantiff lawyers would hate loser pay vs today's system BUT good lawyers on both sides should like it because they would lose competition could demand more money.

The truth of the matter is it is better for the public but bad for the legal and perhaps the insurance business.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:56 pm to
I do mostly ERISA work. The fees rules are harsh. I can get like a $1 judgment against a contractor for pension/health benefits, then stick them for liquidated damages, attorney fees, and interest. On the other side, I had to defend a class action and the plaintiffs are getting hourly fees, plus their 1/3 take of the pot.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:57 pm to
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It is true both defense and plantiff lawyers would hate loser pay vs today's system


For the reasons posted over and over again in this thread, this system would benefit the Morris Barts. They don't take cases where liability is at issue.

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BUT good lawyers on both sides should like it because they would lose competition could demand more money


Systems like this that emphasize volume of cases actually only reward the worst attorneys.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127355 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:59 pm to
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If the demand for lawyers' services goes down because there a fewer negotiated settlements and civil trials, all lawyers will be affected, not just plaintiff attorneys.


link?
Seriously? You can't think that through on your own? Lower demand for any industry's services won't result in lower revenue for that industry?

As President W. Bush once said, "This ain't rocket surgery."
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112949 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:01 pm to
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Lower demand for any industry's services won't result in lower revenue for that industry?



Link?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:04 pm to
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Systems like this that emphasize volume of cases actually only reward the worst attorneys.


Systems like we have today do in fact emphasize volume and do reward horrible lawyers BUT loser pay would not.

Today the goal of a lot of attorneys is to sign up the plaintiffs, settle quick and pocket their fees. I wish there was some study on the number of plaintiffs that settled for much less than they should have because they were represented by leeches lacking the desire and perhaps the resources to actually pursue the case properly.

There is no question we pay more for goods and insurance because of our legal system. There is no question we would have better legal representation under a loser pay system too. There is no question we would be better with a good loser pay system coupled with a Chancery Court system--a combined system like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain and the rest of the Commonwealth.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 8:08 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:08 pm to
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To date no one has been able to give me a halfway intelligent answer.



You've had multiple people in the legal field address every damn "point" you have made.

Nah. All I've read here is NO! DON'T DO IT! The idea about lawyers will make more money is total bullshite. No rational person would come close to believing that.

I'm not a defender of the insurance industry. I believe the insurance industry and plaintiff lawyers need each other. Without each other both industries make less money.

What I am is an insurance consumer. And the current system screws insurance consumers because all of those frivolous lawsuits just get built into the insurance companies' rate base by insurance regulators.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127355 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:12 pm to
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Lower demand for any industry's services won't result in lower revenue for that industry?



Link?
ULL grad, huh?

How did the movie video store industry do when video streaming became available?

If you can't think that concept through you're just wasting my time.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:16 pm to
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Today the goal of a lot of attorneys is to sign up the plaintiffs, settle quick and pocket their fees. I wish there was some study on the number of plaintiffs that settled for much less than they should have because they were represented by leeches lacking the desire and perhaps the resources to actually pursue the case properly.


This is largely a correct criticism of our current system. Loser pays doesn't change this.

I will say this once again. Liability is not actually an issue in most of the cases filed in our system. If you call a lot of big PI firms, they will look at the police report immediately. If that report doesn't prove that the other driver was at fault, they probably don't take the case.

When your business model is mostly cases where your fee recovery is never at risk then loser pays doesn't change anything. Whether loser pays comes in or not, Morris Barr (et al) will be turning the same cases the same way.

Neither you nor Russian have provided any substantive rebuttal to this point.

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There is no question we would have better legal representation under a loser pay system too


That is a completely unsupported conclusion. If anything it is only going to ale attorneys shy away from taking any legitimate case liability is even somewhat in question.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112949 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:17 pm to
If you can verify any of your claims in this thread, go right on ahead.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:27 pm to
I would hate to see poor people with legitimate cases be prevented from access to the legal system just because they can't afford high priced attorneys.

But there are some people that shouldn't have any business suing for stupid shite. And people that make false accusations should be punished.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127355 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:28 pm to
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If you can verify any of your claims in this thread, go right on ahead.

I guess we're even. The entire legal industry argument against loser pays is "Nuh-uh."

How many Blockbuster Video stores do you see these days?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:47 pm to
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