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re: Does anyone here on this board have the balls to say they oppose weed legalization?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:37 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:37 pm to Sentrius
No.
But I will say your most fervent opposition to trumps administration being this and NN makes you come off like a porn addicted pot head.
But I will say your most fervent opposition to trumps administration being this and NN makes you come off like a porn addicted pot head.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:38 pm to Sentrius
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When was the last time you ever heard someone dying from overdosing on weed?
There are lots of negative outcomes between not smoking and overdosing.
If you love weed, go for it...but let’s not pretend it’s harmless.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:38 pm to SG_Geaux
I lean libertarian on the issue but have family in CO and it starting to become a problem. So many young people just want to smoke weed And can give a shite about working or building a successful future. The next 5 years will be telling. So many people don't have a pot to piss in but the enjoy the relaxing lifestyle with no care about their future.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:38 pm to Sentrius
I’m not for or against legalization of weed. I didnt care that a few states legalized it. But I do care about states and cities establishing sanctuary policies and laws that are basically a big middle finger to Trump, ICE, and existing federal immigration law. These liberal state and local governments are starting to think they can do whatever they want, regardless of what federal law says.
Weed is the small fry issue and this is just the warning IMO. A lot of areas where weed was locally legalized are also sanctuary cities/states who are refusing to cooperate with ICE on federal immigration laws. I wouldnt be surprised if some mayor ended up being removed and charged by the feds in the near future for preventing the enforcement of immigration law
Weed is the small fry issue and this is just the warning IMO. A lot of areas where weed was locally legalized are also sanctuary cities/states who are refusing to cooperate with ICE on federal immigration laws. I wouldnt be surprised if some mayor ended up being removed and charged by the feds in the near future for preventing the enforcement of immigration law
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:39 pm to TennesseeFan25
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I don't see the benefit to making weed legal, other than the ability to tax it and increase revenues. I don't exactly correlate pot users with being pillars of society.
Creates a whole new industry creating thousands of jobs.
Reduces prison population and the tax payers cost of incarcerating people for non violent crimes.
It is a great drug to use medicinally and making it easier to acquire will help out numerous people struggling with cancer treatment.
It is a less harmful drug than alcohol but I don’t see a lot of people on here wanting to bring back prohibition on that any time soon.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:40 pm to Sentrius
All of this is a formal push to either reclassify it, or get congressional approval/disapproval.
You can't expect the AG to go against federal laws. He was pushed into this with the "santuary city" thing.
I ain't mad. Do your job.
I would expect it comes before congress soon. I doubt GEDJT has an issue with it.
You can't expect the AG to go against federal laws. He was pushed into this with the "santuary city" thing.
I ain't mad. Do your job.
I would expect it comes before congress soon. I doubt GEDJT has an issue with it.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:43 pm to Sentrius
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Weed is actually way safer than alcohol which has a much better case for being illegal mind you.
Meh. I'm not convinced that either smoking or eating MJ products is categorically "safer" than alcohol. I'm more in the camp that they're comparable in risk. While it happens, it is relatively rare to "OD" on alcohol.
With both substances, the "chronic" danger is that, relative to heroin, cocaine - the traditional "hard" drugs, one is more functional on either alcohol or weed, and users can generally tolerate a longer exposure to the drug. There are long-term consequences of alcohol abuse (cirrhosis, liver cancer, liver failure), and marijuana abuse (heart problems), and both can affect (permanently) higher brain functions, such as memory, judgment, etc. Regular, heavy MJ use in particular is associated with decreased IQ over time.
America is stupid enough as it is, IMHO. Again, my bona fides are pretty good on this - in favor of legal status, but I want the advocates to have eyes open. Marijuana is a pretty bad habit to develop. Like alcohol and cigs - any of it is bad, and the more you use, the worse it is.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:47 pm to Ace Midnight
I oppose it. Would have never thought when I was younger that it would be legalized. It has been in some states so it makes me wonder what is next? Cocaine, heroin? Just leads to more legalization and more crime.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:47 pm to culsutiger
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You should try a few. You're fricking insufferable as you are.
This guy right here does the same clean living I do and he is in his late 70s right now.
I'll take that over all of the poison you willingly consume.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:49 pm to Pelican fan99
I hate being around stupid people.
People using pot act stupid.
Still, they should be allowed to be stupid without going to jail for it.
People using pot act stupid.
Still, they should be allowed to be stupid without going to jail for it.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:51 pm to Ace Midnight
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America is stupid enough as it is, IMHO. Again, my bona fides are pretty good on this - in favor of legal status, but I want the advocates to have eyes open. Marijuana is a pretty bad habit to develop. Like alcohol and cigs - any of it is bad, and the more you use, the worse it is.
Still doesn't justify treating it as a criminal issue and does not justify taking away the right to self determination when they're not harming anyone else with it.
We've been down this road before with alcohol prohibition and it was a goddamn disaster.
If it wasn't for the unbelievable propaganda of the 70s and 80s, the War on Drugs would've been phased out in the early 2000s. But better late than never I suppose.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:54 pm to Sentrius
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This guy right here does the same clean living I do and he is in his late 70s right now.
I'll take that over all of the poison you willingly consume.
Sir Patrick has definitely toked up before.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:54 pm to shoelessjoe
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so it makes me wonder what is next? Cocaine, heroin?
They're on the way too but decriminalization will be first for those though.
Portugal decriminalized all drugs and actually decided to save tax money and started treating it as what it really is, a public health issue instead of a criminal issue you're desperate to hold onto.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:56 pm to Sentrius
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Still doesn't justify treating it as a criminal issue and does not justify taking away the right to self determination when they're not harming anyone else with it.
Well, they are harming society with it, particularly the heavy users. My sticking point to legalization used to be that I didn't care, but I didn't want to be stuck with the bill. But, I'm stuck with the bill, anyway, and the fallout from general legalization looks to be less expensive than the massive police/corrections bills we're paying now.
So, I'm reluctantly in favor of legal status, again, with eyes open and not pretending marijuana is even a little bit "good."
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:57 pm to Sentrius
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Or would you just rather hide behind "Enforce all the laws!!!" or "Muh pot" like the mental simpleton that dinosaurs like Jeff Sessions are?
I oppose it at the national level...for or against...
States should be dealing with it...it is marginally harmful, and benefits for adults far outweigh the cons...
On the flip side, it is harmful to the developing mind...so strict control from children, but it's not as if current laws stop kids from using...
Leave it to the states, let them deal with it...
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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they are harming society with it,
Sure if they're abusing tax dollars with it or driving while under the influence of those drugs.
Besides that, I don't give a shite what they do with it as long as they keep it to themselves.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:58 pm to Sentrius
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Portugal decriminalized all drugs and actually decided to save tax money and started treating it as what it really is, a public health issue instead of a criminal issue you're desperate to hold onto.
It isn't a utopia, but they have virtually eliminated overdoses (which are largely a function of adulterated drugs) - they still bust drug dealers, though.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 11:59 pm to IceTiger
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Leave it to the states, let them deal with it...
Trump actually said that during the campaign.
If he lets Jeff Sessions do this, he's betraying that promise and shame on him for that.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 12:01 am to TiketheMiger
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Creates a whole new industry creating thousands of jobs.
And also creates way more useless potheads than it will create jobs.
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Reduces prison population and the tax payers cost of incarcerating people for non violent crimes.
I agree.
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It is a great drug to use medicinally and making it easier to acquire will help out numerous people struggling with cancer treatment.
So why not make it legal by prescription only and sell it through pharmacies only?
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It is a less harmful drug than alcohol but I don’t see a lot of people on here wanting to bring back prohibition on that any time soon.
Maybe it is. I don't know. I rarely drink so they could make alcohol illegal tomorrow and I wouldn't think twice about it.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 12:07 am
Posted on 1/5/18 at 12:02 am to Sentrius
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If he lets Jeff Sessions do this,
Isn't that standing law?
Where does he have the "let" authority?
Congress has to act.
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