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re: Does anyone else find themselves questioning a lot of the Civil Rights propaganda…
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:59 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:59 am to crazy4lsu
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Okay, then actually make that argument.
I've already provided examples of "fundamental rights" that some people believe we have and others don't. I'll throw health care in the mix as well. Do people have a fundament right to your labor as a provider? A lot of folks believe they do.
If you can't get to "we don't all agree on what our fundamental rights are" from that I can't help you further.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 10:06 am to burger bearcat
I worked for years with a black man who passed away some years back and was a dear friend. He went through the desegregration years in the beating red heart of central Oklahoma.
I heard his stories firsthand and he was an honest, GOD-fearing man. According to his accounts, the movement leading up to desegregation (in this area, anecdotal as it may be) were pretty tense and tough, but desegregation itself wasn't near as bad as in other places in the deep south. He became a star athlete in our tiny town where athletics is the pinnacle of pretty much everything, and everybody loved him. He became quite popular with the ladies, and was still out chasing tail when he passed away in his 70s.
Now I wasn't there. So I cannot personally attest other than to what I heard him say directly. But even today this man's son is like a brother to me, and he says his dad used to tell him the exact same things when he was growing up, and I believe it.
I've seen plenty enough evidence to know that it was a taxing time in American history, but I also have come to question the national narrative. The Tulsa Race Riots/Black Wall Street, was abhorrent and detestable, but that wasn't widespread by any accounts and predated the Civil Rights movement by decades.
What was it really like? We can listen to firsthand accounts and choose to believe it or not, or we can read the revisionist history and choose to believe it or nor. Fact is, I question literally everything now that occurred from 1959 going forward, thanks to the see eye A and Operation Mockingbird.
I heard his stories firsthand and he was an honest, GOD-fearing man. According to his accounts, the movement leading up to desegregation (in this area, anecdotal as it may be) were pretty tense and tough, but desegregation itself wasn't near as bad as in other places in the deep south. He became a star athlete in our tiny town where athletics is the pinnacle of pretty much everything, and everybody loved him. He became quite popular with the ladies, and was still out chasing tail when he passed away in his 70s.
Now I wasn't there. So I cannot personally attest other than to what I heard him say directly. But even today this man's son is like a brother to me, and he says his dad used to tell him the exact same things when he was growing up, and I believe it.
I've seen plenty enough evidence to know that it was a taxing time in American history, but I also have come to question the national narrative. The Tulsa Race Riots/Black Wall Street, was abhorrent and detestable, but that wasn't widespread by any accounts and predated the Civil Rights movement by decades.
What was it really like? We can listen to firsthand accounts and choose to believe it or not, or we can read the revisionist history and choose to believe it or nor. Fact is, I question literally everything now that occurred from 1959 going forward, thanks to the see eye A and Operation Mockingbird.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 10:25 am to burger bearcat
I’ve wondered the same thing.
I’ll say this, seeing video after video of how large groups of blacks behave at public events, restaurants, cruises, etc I understand the reasoning behind segregation. Maybe it wasn’t done in hate but simply was a recognition of two vastly different cultures and behaviors who don’t mesh well together in certain circumstances
I’ll say this, seeing video after video of how large groups of blacks behave at public events, restaurants, cruises, etc I understand the reasoning behind segregation. Maybe it wasn’t done in hate but simply was a recognition of two vastly different cultures and behaviors who don’t mesh well together in certain circumstances
Posted on 9/12/25 at 10:45 am to Flats
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I've already provided examples of "fundamental rights" that some people believe we have and others don't
Individual examples are less meaningful to me than systemic examples, which is what I’ve constantly referred to.
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I'll throw health care in the mix as well. Do people have a fundament right to your labor as a provider? A lot of folks believe they do.
But has that made it into some documentation somewhere?
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If you can't get to "we don't all agree on what our fundamental rights are" from that I can't help you further.
Well, it doesn’t seem like you are arguing that we don’t have a broad consensus on what human rights are, but rather, you are arguing that human rights can be further developed. They can be, but since the original formulation, what specific rights have been added? The rights themselves are so broad that people can read specific things into them. The original notion of human rights , from how they were originally conceived, have been remarkably consistent. There is no limitation to an individual reading a ‘new’ right into the framework of an older one, but it is still based on the consensus of the older framework.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 10:57 am to burger bearcat
The last few years has me questioning everything.
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