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re: Does anybody here believe that Comey ever told Trump he wasn't under investigation?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:02 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:02 pm to JuiceTerry
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Does anybody here believe that Comey ever told Trump he wasn't under investigation?
So he lied to Congress?
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:03 pm to CptBengal
You have no idea what you're talking about. In other words, it's a Tuesday.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:05 pm to JuiceTerry
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What crime kicked off Iran/Contra? Not what crimes were discovered, but what crime led to the investigation?
It became known that senior Administration officials were selling weapons to Iran , in direct violation of the law since Iran was under an embargo at the time.
and with very little investigation it was discorverd that the proceeds from the arms sales were being used to violate another law which prohibited the USG from funding the Contras (the law was the Boland Amendment)
I'm sorry, I don't off the top of my head know how it became known that the Administration was selling weapons to the Iranian government.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Wolfhound45
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As a fellow COL (MSC still on AD), I have a keen interest in your posts. I do not know you but you come across as very knowledgeable. And I have a sort of kinship with JT. We love to needle each other.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words and likewise enjoy your posts.
The general ignorance of people saddens me. But what really shocks me is when you try to educate them and it makes them mad LOL "don't be trying to tell me about the law and stuff"
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:07 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Kinda like what they are doing with this investigation, correct?
became known
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:08 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:I do. There was an investigation.
I don't off the top of my head know how it became known that the Administration was selling weapons to the Iranian government.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:11 pm to JuiceTerry
Trump has no filter. He opens his mouth and tells you what he believes.
You yourself have observed this and complained mightily about it.
Now with Comey the filter is very precise. Every thought, every word, is very carefully choreographed and structured to not only steer the listener to a conclusion,
but also to provide Comey enough ambiguity so that he has a ready made escape hatch should he need it.
You yourself have observed this and complained mightily about it.
Now with Comey the filter is very precise. Every thought, every word, is very carefully choreographed and structured to not only steer the listener to a conclusion,
but also to provide Comey enough ambiguity so that he has a ready made escape hatch should he need it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:15 pm to JuiceTerry
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Kinda like what they are doing with this investigation, correct?
um no because the investigations in THAT case followed the normal course of events meaning a crime was discovered and that called for investigations. As opposed to THIS case where the god damned Democrats are screaming about continuing an investigation that has been going on for 6 fricking months even though there is no fricking evidence that a crime was committed.
There is ZERO evidence that any crimes were committed RE: Trump campaign and Russia ZERO
Imagine I came to your house and started investigating you "neighbors think you might be a murderer" but had ZERO evidence that a murder had been committed let alone that you might be involved.
Now imagine I dragged that investigation on for months , telling everyone " we don't know what laws he may have broken yet, that's why we have to investigate"
It's fricking retarded.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:16 pm to TrueTiger
I'm not complaining, I quite like it. He does more damage to himself than any fake news outlet could dream of. Can't wait to see what he comes up with in the next week.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:16 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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no it doesn't because it a FBI investigation is not a judicial process and thus federal obstruction laws do not apply...
You Trump haters are almost certain to be sorely disjointedness hanging your hat on this investigation.
Easy now. Don't let this affect your syntax. Let me mention a couple of historical precedents that illustrate how this can work.
1. Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice for lying to the Federal Grand Jury in the Paula Jones case, a civil sexual harassment case. The President was not already under investigation for a crime.
2. Nixon would have been impeached for obstruction of justice and abuse of power had he not resigned just prior to Congress voting to impeach.
The Watergate commission wasn't impaneled to investigate his crimes, but they got there nevertheless. He wasn't primarily impeached for violating the federal code, but for his failure to "take care" that the nation's laws were faithfully executed. Over 60 of his subordinates were indicted. That's an Article II constitutional violation that the Watergate committee considered worthy of "high crimes and misdemeanors".
If you're claiming to be a prosecutor, I'm puzzled to hear you don't understand that the Feds can follow new leads of possible crimes having been committed once investigations are opened.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:17 pm to JuiceTerry
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I do. There was an investigation.
wrong stupid the investigations came AFTER the crime of selling arms to Iran was discovered. The crime being committed was already established. The investigations were merely into who did what.
I challenge you to tell me what laws have been broken here that demand an investigation. You can't , of course, for two reasons.
1. we don't have any evidence that a crime was committed
2. You're embarrassingly stupid.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:21 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:That's patently false. But they are working diligently to depose witnesses like Michael Flynn, who will probably be held in contempt. And Mueller has just started his operation. So hang on to your hat, because it's going to be a long haul.
though there is no fricking evidence that a crime was committed.
There is ZERO evidence that any crimes were committed RE: Trump campaign and Russia ZERO
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:21 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Still, there is no way that the assistant director and everyone involved in the leadership and investigation into Russian influence could not answer the question.
But that's not what Donald Trump said
There is no way that this hasn't been addressed with country and embarrass the President, although, I truly believe he's beyond embarrassing.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:23 pm to JuiceTerry
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Buy they are working diligently to influence witnesses like Michael Flynn
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:25 pm to rhett
You sure come and go a lot "new" guy, is your name Rex?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:25 pm to TigerDoc
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Paul Manafort, who is definitely now under criminal investigation.
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TigerDoc
Can I get a link please........
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:27 pm to TigerDoc
LOL you idiots make this too easy
A federal grand jury is a judicial proceeding and thus the federal obstruction of justice law applies. Even if you accept that Trump tried to stop an FBI investigation, an FBI investigation is NOT a judicial proceeding and thus the law doesn't apply.
That's a hypothetical, but even the same, Congress can really impeach for anything they don't answer to anyone on that subject.
Incorrect, OBVIOUSLY the fact that the bungling fools were caught breaking and entering is what started the entire Watergate investigation. So again, there was a crime and THEN an investigation.
I'm not a prosecute, I was a criminal investigator in the Army one who happens to understand very well the processes and laws.
At no point did I claim that the feds could not follow any leads they wanted. Instead I have noted the obvious. In this case, we do not know what initial crime they are investigating (and yes that's the way it works, we investigate crimes and follow the evidence, we don't investigate people and hope to find evidence of a crime)
So, I will ask again, what crime was being investigated here that would lead to the Trump campaign doing something illegal RE: 2016 election? You , of course, can not answer that because no one has said.
Just apply a little common sense here folks, with all the leaks we've seen out of the federal government since Jan, if there was ANY evidence of a crime being committed by someone on Trump's team, any at all, it would have leaked by now.
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1. Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice for lying to the Federal Grand Jury in the Paula Jones case, a civil sexual harassment case. The President was not already under investigation for a crime.
A federal grand jury is a judicial proceeding and thus the federal obstruction of justice law applies. Even if you accept that Trump tried to stop an FBI investigation, an FBI investigation is NOT a judicial proceeding and thus the law doesn't apply.
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2. Nixon would have been impeached for obstruction of justice and abuse of power had he not resigned just prior to Congress voting to impeach.
That's a hypothetical, but even the same, Congress can really impeach for anything they don't answer to anyone on that subject.
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The Watergate commission wasn't impaneled to investigate his crimes, but they got there nevertheless. He was primarily impeached for violating the federal code, but for his failure to "take care" that the nation's laws were faithfully executed. Over 60 of his subordinates were indicted. That's an Article II constitutional violation that the Watergate committee considered worthy of "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Incorrect, OBVIOUSLY the fact that the bungling fools were caught breaking and entering is what started the entire Watergate investigation. So again, there was a crime and THEN an investigation.
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If you're claiming to be a prosecutor, I'm puzzled to hear you don't understand that the Feds can follow new leads of possible crimes having been committed once investigations are opened.
I'm not a prosecute, I was a criminal investigator in the Army one who happens to understand very well the processes and laws.
At no point did I claim that the feds could not follow any leads they wanted. Instead I have noted the obvious. In this case, we do not know what initial crime they are investigating (and yes that's the way it works, we investigate crimes and follow the evidence, we don't investigate people and hope to find evidence of a crime)
So, I will ask again, what crime was being investigated here that would lead to the Trump campaign doing something illegal RE: 2016 election? You , of course, can not answer that because no one has said.
Just apply a little common sense here folks, with all the leaks we've seen out of the federal government since Jan, if there was ANY evidence of a crime being committed by someone on Trump's team, any at all, it would have leaked by now.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:28 pm to JuiceTerry
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So hang on to your hat, because it's going to be a long haul.
This is the ONLY thiing you have said that is true. It will be a long haul. THe democrats will intentionally string it out in an effort to regain political power. There is no intent to send anyone to jail. Nobody wants to open that Pandora's box.
Send one to jail, send them all to jail. THey are all liars theives and crooks.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:29 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I challenge you to tell me what laws have been broken here that demand an investigation. You can't , of course, for two reasons.
1. we don't have any evidence that a crime was committed
2. You're embarrassingly stupid.
You've said in this thread multiple times already that there is no evidence a crime was committed. Simple question. How the hell do you know what evidence there is or isn't? Simple answer is you don't. So you should probably slow down on making these definitive declarations unless you are a high ranking FBI official and forgot to tell us.
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