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re: Do you think the shooter was aiming at the neck?

Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:08 am to
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19233 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:08 am to
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bullet was a body shot, but it ricocheted off his vest

Doubtful. First, soft armor won't even slow rifle rounds down. They'll just zip right through. If he were wearing rifle rated heavy plates, those probably would have been very noticeable. Even then, rifle rounds don't just ricochet unless they hit at a very specific angle. At those velocities, they fragment.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4663 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:10 am to
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From a buddy who knows what he’s speaking about.

Do me a favor. I know some of you on here will be tempted to surmise about what happened today as a “professional hit” and all sorts of nonsense.

Before you post it, click that privacy button, select “Friends Except” and then select me.

Because, I know for a fricking fact that NONE of those of you who’ll do this have been to any service level sniper school. And as such, I will personally embarrass you

So, before you do it, consider the aforementioned, and following, from me, a graduate of the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School, and various Special Operations Training Group packages SOTIC as well as deploying as a sniper in Somalia and the GWOT

Fact: the person who did this is not a trained professional. They are an ideologue driven crazy by the radical left’s incessant demonization of anyone with differing beliefs and as such, felt obligated to carry out this and saw it as their duty to “protect democracy”.

Fact: It was not a difficult shot. The speed of sound at the scene (4,487ft 89° F) is approximately 1,148 feet per second. Based on the videos, the sonic “crack” of the bullet followed by the report of the rifle by about .23 to .30 seconds. That works out to around 88 to 115 yards. The average drop of the M118LR round at that ranges on a flat range (remember flat range) is +0.2 to -0.5 inches with a full value 10mph wind deflection of 0.7 inches. Now, external factors such as height of bore of the optic can impact this, but im just going with centerline of the bore. So, for all intents and purposes, no hold overs etc. point of aim, point of impact. It does not make this person a “trained professional”.

Fact: Round hit high. This is because the shooter did not account for the fact that they were firing from an elevated position. A bullet will generally impact higher than expected when shooting from an elevated position at a target at a significant angle, this is also affected by range. This effect is compensated for by applying the cosine of the angle. Let’s say the shooter is at 114 yards and is shooting down at a 30° angle. The cosine would be 0.8660254. Which means the range to adjust for would be 98 yards. This is why the round was high. Once again, this is centerline of the bore and not accounting for height over bore Even though it was only slightly high, this was exacerbated by the oblique angle to the victim’s right. The round struck what appears to be the victim’s right clavicle, deflecting through the trachea and exiting through the left side of the neck with the temporary wound channel apparently catastrophically severing the left common or external carotid arteries, and possibly both. This illustrates that the shooter only had flat range experience. It is also possible that because he was NOT a “trained professional” he also added to this by shooting high, a common mistake for novices.

Did the shooter know how to proficiently handle a firearm? Yes. Are they a professional? No.

I hope when they find them, and they will, i pray they are not taken in. I don’t want to give them a platform of a trial. They don’t deserve it and the rhetoric their legal team will spout will inspire more of this.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17749 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:12 am to
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I think he is just saying, albeit rather inelegantly, that it doesn't really matter


Yes, he meant no ill will. However we have two resident loons here that are doing nothing but trolling and causing trouble. One is fake attorney and the other lends her bicycles to criminals for sex.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23951 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:18 am to
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at 200 yards? That’s a lot of drop.


It’s too much to be drop. Even zeroed at 50 yards a shot aimed at the head would drop 4-6 inches at 200 and more likely a rifle would be zeroed at 100 or most likely 200 yards.

It could be that the tent and roof made a neck shot necessary because that was all the shooter had exposed.


To answer the original question, a neck shot like that at a stationery target is very lethal.
Posted by RentToOwn
Member since Sep 2024
45 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:15 am to
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Even then, rifle rounds don't just ricochet unless they hit at a very specific angle. At those velocities, they fragment.


Which is exactly what it looks like, to me.

There is a video taken from Charlie’s left, fairly close. It looks like the round fragmented for sure when it hit the armor. Shirt blows out. Part of the bullet can be seen deflecting off to Charlie’s right.



Posted by SoWhat
Member since May 2013
623 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:21 am to
I think he was aiming for the neck. Here are my reasons:

Not taking the chance on missing with a sudden head movement. He was a tall guy and frequently went for water. Plus, not making the mistake again like they did in Bulter.

He was mocked online by the left for the length of his neck. It was symbolic.

It diverts from this being a professional hit as the Occam's razor clan will say, it wasn't professional because if so, it would've been to the head.
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