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re: Do you support local law enforcement being compelled to enforce federal law?

Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:30 pm to
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Immigration enforcement is in their purview. Don't you agree?


I would agree that immigration should only be enforced by federal law enforcement, since immigration is solely in the purview of the federal govt.

If they want more boots on the ground, they need to hire them.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:31 pm to
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Well I don't live anywhere near a sanctuary city so I should be good.
Lucky.

Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:32 pm to
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If they want more boots on the ground, they need to hire them.



Here here
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:33 pm to
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They have the right to take over the facility, temporarily, in order to "handle it solely by themselves" and seize the records and the criminal aliens. Don't you agree?


Nothing screams states rights like having a state run facility overrun and occupied by federal agents.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:35 pm to
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I would assume that state's have the right to create their own budgets and run their own law enforcement agencies.

I agree. They should pay for everything themselves.
They can run their own law enforcement agencies as long as they don't obstruct the duties of other law enforcement agencies acting within the authority given them by the Constitution.

It's like any other right. Your right to express yourself stops at the tip of someone elses nose.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:37 pm to
I can only assume you sided with Gov. Wallace.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:37 pm to
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I am curious what part of the constitution binds states to enforce federal law. Any idea?

They are not being asked to enforce federal laws. They are required to not obstruct the actions of federal law enforcement officers doing their jobs.
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:40 pm to
You think they are running around chasing off federal agents?

They just aren't helping them. I really don't care all that much but it seems like a bad precedent for federal agencies to come in and dictate how to operate local law enforcement agencies.

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:40 pm to
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dictate how to operate local law enforcement agencies.
They aren't.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:41 pm to
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I would agree that immigration should only be enforced by federal law enforcement, since immigration is solely in the purview of the federal govt.

So would you agree that the fed has the authority to write any immigration statue and that states must comply with those regulations...seeing that immigration guidelines are in the purview of the fed.
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:42 pm to
Well I guess it's more of telling them how to allocate resources.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:45 pm to
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Nothing screams states rights like having a state run facility overrun and occupied by federal agents.


Hey!...it was your idea not mine. How else could they do their job if a bunch of whiny little liberal bitches in uniform want to act all tough?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:48 pm to
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They just aren't helping them.

So you're saying they are willfully obstructing justice and by doing so, are breaking federal laws. Arrest the lot of them and declare the facility a crime scene.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:50 pm to
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So would you agree that the fed has the authority to write any immigration statute


I would, within the framework of the constitution.

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that states must comply with those regulations...seeing that immigration guidelines are in the purview of the fed.


This is more tricky. I seriously doubt a hypothetical law that would compel local law enforcement to suddenly enact all federal law would stand up in court. If you said that all citizens (instead of states) need to comply with federal law I would have agreed with you.

Thats a terrible idea and completely nullifies state law.

Take state legal marijuana for example. Under your proposal police officers sworn in by the state are suddenly arresting people smoking state legal MJ that broke no state laws, but are now incarcerated by state law officers, and paid for by state funds.

Thats a greivous violation of states rights.
Posted by Usafgiles
North Augusta, SC
Member since Oct 2009
1904 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:51 pm to
They aren't obstructing anything. Well some may be and they should be punished.

I'm talking about the ones that are just not going to waste their money doing the leg work for the feds.
Posted by AintBigButItsPretty
Member since Mar 2011
942 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:51 pm to
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Do you support local law enforcement being compelled to enforce federal law?


You mean honoring a federal detainer for an inmate that was already booked on local offenses? I have no problem when that when it comes to armed robbery or conspiracy on the federal level or when it comes to an immigration issue and neither should you.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:52 pm to
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Hey!...it was your idea not mine. How else could they do their job if a bunch of whiny little liberal bitches in uniform want to act all tough?


This (your argument and attitude about this) could literally be taken out of the Reconstruction playbook after the civil war. Are you a yankee by any chance?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:14 pm to
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Take state legal marijuana for example. Under your proposal police officers sworn in by the state are suddenly arresting people smoking state legal MJ that broke no state laws, but are now incarcerated by state law officers, and paid for by state funds.


Then you don't understand. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Immigration laws involve a singular issue. The movement of human beings across a defined border. Controlling the movement of those human beings is a federal issue.
Inanimate objects --like drugs--being used by the residents of a particular state is a state issue the fed has no interest in. The violation of law that is criminal alien trespass and associated crimes are not simply an individual smoking a joint. There is no evidence that the fed has any interest in policing Bill and Teds excellent adventure. In the situation of drug laws, states do have leeway with enforcement and can write laws that define it. To my knowledge states do not write immigration laws. That is in the purview of federal law.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:17 pm to
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I'm talking about the ones that are just not going to waste their money doing the leg work for the feds.


What leg work..handing over papers identifying individuals they already have in custody?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:18 pm to
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To my knowledge states do not write immigration laws. That is in the purview of federal law.


I agree. Which is why they are under no obligation to enforce any laws but their own.
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