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re: Do you believe President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:51 pm to shinerfan
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:51 pm to shinerfan
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Its an entirely baseless accusation. There's your concrete answer. There has to be some logical starting point to justify an investigation. There's nothing there. Absolutely nothing.
Thats not a concrete answer, that is an unsubstantiated assertion.
The Michael Flynn saga alone says you are wrong in saying there is nothing worth looking into.
Roger Stone knowing of the Wikileaks drop before it happened says there is stuff worth looking into.
Jeff Sessions who lied to congress about Russian meetings, then recused himself, says there is stuff worth looking into.
The hacks that supposedly penetrated the DNC and GOP but released only the DNC records says there is something worth investigating.
The FBI continuing an investigation, and potentially asking for more resources, suggests there is stuff they believe worth further investigation.
The fact the president admitted on national TV last night that the Russian investigation fueled some of his reasoning for firing Comey, despite denials from the White House prior, suggests a need to continue investigating.
Where the investigation goes, what it finds, or exonerates, is open at this point, but the idea we already know for a fact the ultimate truth is preposterous self delusion. And had the shoe been on the other foot, you damn well know you would yelling about ensuring every corner checked, every t crossed and i dotted about Hillary Clinton and her emails or Benghazi. Heck we see that same demand currently going on even though she is no longer in public service and lost. Yet that same standard should not be applied to your team?
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:11 pm to bonhoeffer45
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The FBI continuing an investigation, and potentially asking for more resources, suggests there is stuff they believe worth further investigation.
Just what does potentially mean here? The FBI could potentially ask for a herd of unicorns but they haven't, just as they haven't asked for more resources.
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but the idea we already know for a fact the ultimate truth is preposterous self delusion.
Are you currently under investigation for molestation? We don't know the ultimate truth about your fondness for children. Could the lack of investigation be explained by a lack of evidence that would constitute a logical starting point and justification for investigation? There is no shred of evidence suggesting anything nefarious with the Russians. There was some normal interaction that takes place in business. You want a fake continuing investigation for purely partisan reasons. Pathetic and unAmerican, just like your despicable Party.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:20 pm to shinerfan
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Just what does potentially mean here? The FBI could potentially ask for a herd of unicorns but they haven't, just as they haven't asked for more resources.
It refers to the disputed report that Comey asked the DOJ for more resources.
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Are you currently under investigation for molestation? We don't know the ultimate truth about your fondness for children.
The loaded question fallacy doesn't apply when we have evidence that warrants further investigation. If you found out I lied about having ties to a molestation ring then yeah, I would think you would agree I warrant an investigation.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
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This post was edited on 6/5/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
No...that story is ridiculous. A lot more important issues going on like the buffoonery that flows daily from PDJT and the WH.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:29 pm to bonhoeffer45
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The FBI continuing an investigation, and potentially asking for more resources, suggests there is stuff they believe worth further investigation.
See, here is a perfect example of how dumb you people are
The FBI does NOT get it's funding or resources from the Justice Department. they are funded directly by Congress.
The Acting Director of the FBI has said that he can't imagine any scenario where Comey would have asked the Justice Department for funding
THe Justice Department says it didn't happen
Here you are posting that it potentially happened.
It didn't fricking happen moron. Posting nonsense like this not only destroys any credibility you may have had, but it also only serves to muddy the waters.
Stop being a moron.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
The Russian collusion is a democrat creation, anyone that thinks otherwise is a mental midget.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:37 pm to ShortyRob
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Basically, at worst, what happened is that a foreign nation showed a preference for one candidate over the other and acted on it.
Well I'm pretty sure that foreign nations have preferences for particular candidates over others all the time. It's the possibility that they may have "acted on it" as you stated in your post that is troubling.
But judging from your post, you seem to be perfectly fine with the possible interference of the election. Carry on comrade.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:37 pm to bonhoeffer45
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It refers to the disputed report that Comey asked the DOJ for more resources.
Multiple FBI officials have denied the NYT hit piece and their likely nonexistent "source". McCabe did so under oath. It is a disproven report, not a disputed report.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:41 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I don't.
Then you are naïve!
Everyone knows that, what is said on Russian TV( The highest rated source in the US according the the DNC ratings) drastically affected the ellections.
I mean after all maybe 3 American's (other than Democrats) even ever watch 5 minutes of Russia Television a year!
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:49 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Jeff Sessions who lied to congress about Russian meetings, then recused himself, says there is stuff worth looking into.
The hacks that supposedly penetrated the DNC and GOP but released only the DNC records says there is something worth investigating
Know how I know that you're reaching?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:53 pm to bencoleman
So after reading this thread maybe 5 low IQ posters believe in muh Russians. My faith in humanity is restored. Thank you and may God have mercy on the morons souls.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:02 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It didn't fricking happen moron. Posting nonsense like this not only destroys any credibility you may have had, but it also only serves to muddy the waters.
When you are this triggered by people pointing out ongoing issues that currently do not have a definitive resolution, it is you that comes off looking like the partisan moron.
Several news outlets reported this, Rosenstein said he is not aware of the request, McCabe as well. Which is why I said 'disputed.' Someone 'not aware' is not confirmation such request never happened.
Which all goes into the larger context of a White House that for 24 hours denied the firing had anything to do with the Russian investigation to which Trump himself contradicted last night in the NBC interview. Who then got so triggered he took to twitter by the NYTimes piece claiming Trump asked for personal loyalty twice in January.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:04 pm to earl keese
quote:Then you should have been "troubled" by every election in your lifetime and will be "troubled" by ever election going forward.
Well I'm pretty sure that foreign nations have preferences for particular candidates over others all the time. It's the possibility that they may have "acted on it" as you stated in your post that is troubling.
quote:As long as they don't screw with the voting, why should I care exactly?
But judging from your post, you seem to be perfectly fine with the possible interference of the election.
I mean, ya know........beyond your emotional reaction?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:15 pm to DawgfaninCa
No. The story is fake and honestly insulting. How it's survived this long is sickening.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:39 pm to SquirrelyBama
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he's as American as Apple pie. So we not need worry of Trump selling Americans out.
There's nothing and no one outside of his immediate family that Trump wouldn't sell out in a heartbeat just to save a couple of points on his debt servicing.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:03 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Thats not a concrete answer, that is an unsubstantiated assertion.
The Michael Flynn saga alone says you are wrong in saying there is nothing worth looking into.
Roger Stone knowing of the Wikileaks drop before it happened says there is stuff worth looking into.
Jeff Sessions who lied to congress about Russian meetings, then recused himself, says there is stuff worth looking into.
The hacks that supposedly penetrated the DNC and GOP but released only the DNC records says there is something worth investigating.
The FBI continuing an investigation, and potentially asking for more resources, suggests there is stuff they believe worth further investigation.
The fact the president admitted on national TV last night that the Russian investigation fueled some of his reasoning for firing Comey, despite denials from the White House prior, suggests a need to continue investigating.
When I tell people that sea serpents exist then the skeptics and debunkers always tell me what Carl Sagan said which was, " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
I think we can all agree the claim that President Trump colluded with the Russians is an extraordinary claim.
Anyone on this site who thinks my claim that sea serpents exist requires extraordinary evidence to prove it is true must also think the claim that President Trump colluded with the Russians also requires extraordinary evidence to prove it is true.
The examples you just posted as evidence are not extraordinary evidence that proves President Trump colluded with the Russians or that an investigation is justified.
Find some extraordinary evidence then get back to me, dude.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:01 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Do you believe President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election?
Obviously, yes.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:05 pm to DawgfaninCa
No.
But to keep Hillary out of the White House, I don't care if he did.
But to keep Hillary out of the White House, I don't care if he did.
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