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re: DNI Gabbard Releases US-Funded Biolab Evidence, including Ukraine

Posted on 6/14/26 at 1:09 am to
Posted by somethingdifferent
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 1:09 am to
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Gabbard hasn’t provided any evidence backing their claims
Wait, the loons are saying all she said is labs exist. Which is it? I wish you people could get your story straight
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 1:16 am to
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When was the last time one of our enemies invaded another country without provocation or legitimate justification?
You act as if this explains all the other evidence and questions, which it most certainly does not. And then there's all the people screaming to get out of foreign conflicts.

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Proxy conflicts don't count
Of course they don't. They destroy your stupid ideas

I have a question. Why do you think you know what's a conspiracy and what the truth is?

You don't.

You speculate as much as anybody on this board. You aren't impartial. You don't bring facts. When I pinned you down on covid19, you (rightfully) admitted that it is not naturally occuring, which is all but established fact at this point. If that's the case, that means Fauci took his GOF research overseas to circumvent US law and did so with US funding. There's no way, NO WAY, you can defend that.

You aren't a source of truth. You don't know more than anybody else on this board. You aren't "correcting" anyone. You aren't dispelling conspiracy theories. All you are doing is squawking and acting like you are authoritative when you aren't.
Posted by LLeD
Member since Apr 2026
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 1:30 am to
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Gabbard hasn’t provided any evidence backing their claims.

who is she -->> LINK
Tulsi Gabbard (Summary) LINK
Posted by LLeD
Member since Apr 2026
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 2:37 am to
Ministry Of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine

Comment of the MFA on Regular Manipulations Surrounding the Issue of Biological Laboratories in Ukraine


The Ukrainian side has noted another wave of manipulations regarding certain cooperation programs in the field of biosafety and public health in Ukraine.

We once again reject these groundless accusations and emphasize that Ukraine consistently fulfills its international obligations under the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BWC). The Ukrainian side has never engaged in any activities related to the development, production, or stockpiling of biological weapons.

For many years, cooperation between Ukraine and the United States in the field of biosafety has been aimed exclusively at strengthening the capabilities of the public health system, epidemiological surveillance, laboratory diagnostics, biosafety, and biosecurity. This refers to ordinary civilian activities that comply with international public health standards and practices, and are entirely unrelated to any military objectives.

The laboratory facilities involved in the relevant international technical assistance programs are diagnostic, scientific, or reference laboratories within the public health system, veterinary medicine, or other scientific institutions.

The narrative of alleged "laboratories for the development of biological weapons" is not new—Russia has used it in its propaganda for many years. At the same time, all Russian accusations have been repeatedly debunked at the international level.

For instance, in 2022, at the request of the Russian Federation under Article V of the BWC, an official consultative process was held with the participation of the States Parties to the Convention. During this process, all data regarding the relevant cooperation programs, their objectives, and implementation mechanisms were provided.

As a result of the consultations, the allegations regarding the supposed development of biological weapons or the operation of military biological programs in Ukraine found no confirmation whatsoever.

The relevant issues were also considered within the UN Security Council, where no evidence was presented to support the claims made by the Russian Federation.

In December 2023, Ukraine officially reaffirmed its position at the meeting of the States Parties to the BWC, emphasizing that the 2022 consultative process had comprehensively addressed these allegations, and that Ukraine's cooperation with international partners in the field of public health fully complies with the provisions of the Convention.

Ukraine remains committed to the principles of transparency, international cooperation, and strengthening the global biosafety system. We call for reliance on the outcomes of international consultations and verified facts, rather than on distorted interpretations or Russian propaganda.

LINK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:08 am to
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The monitoring of Cold War-era biological agents across the former Soviet Union was always the cover story for these labs to exist in the first place. What went on behind closed doors has been believed to be much more nefarious.


literally proving my point from page one

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Very few, if any, people said we funded no "bio labs" in Ukraine. The actual CT allegations were much more specific as to the type of bio labs and what kind of activity was going on.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:09 am to
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Uh oh.. Joe Biden.. you knowingly lied to the American people stating Ukraine did not have biological weapons


There has been no evidence presented that Ukraine has biological weapons. You do realize that, right?

These documents released do not support the claim that there were bio weapons.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:10 am to
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If SFP is truly impartial, he will call this out as "conspiracy"

Uh, an intelligent and rational person will wait for direct, credible evidence before coming down on a side.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:11 am to
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Wait, the loons are saying all she said is labs exist. Which is it? I wish you people could get your story straight


All she said is the labs exist

There was no evidence they were involved in biological weapons
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:15 am to
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You act as if this explains all the other evidence and questions, which it most certainly does not.



It explains everything. It was a monumental norm-crashing act by Russia.

That's why the world reacted as they did.

Nothing like that had happened since the US invasion of Iraq almost 2 decades prior.

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Why do you think you know what's a conspiracy and what the truth is?

Intelligence, use of logic, understanding how to judge evidence, etc.

Hence why so much of this discussion, despite your attempts to reframe the discussion, are focused on the evidence.

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When I pinned you down on covid19, you (rightfully) admitted that it is not naturally occuring, which is all but established fact at this point

I've literally never thought CV19 was naturally occurring

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If that's the case, that means Fauci took his GOF research overseas to circumvent US law and did so with US funding. There's no way, NO WAY, you can defend that.

Even if this is true, which hasn't been fully established yet with evidence, it still has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:43 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:47 am to
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conducting biological weapons research in "biolabs" across Ukraine was not true.


There still has been no direct, credible evidence presented suggesting this is true.

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DNI Gabbard just declassified information proving her a liar and a traitor

This did not happen.

*ETA: we're back to my initial post

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Can you define the specific conspiracy theory?

Very few, if any, people said we funded no "bio labs" in Ukraine. The actual CT allegations were much more specific as to the type of bio labs and what kind of activity was going on.

This seems like your typical "kernel of truth" situation and not a "CT proven right" situation.



bio labs =/= bio weapons program

proving bio labs exist = kernel of truth

trying to extrapolate that kernel of truth into bio weapons program is dishonest and not supported by the facts
This post was edited on 6/14/26 at 6:50 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:49 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:52 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 6:54 am to
GOF research is also not a biological weapons program

All you're doing by trying to reframe it and pivot is creating a different form of dishonesty. It does nothing to refute my point and continue to prove that I was right.

Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:36 am to
I was right!

Everyone pay attention i was right!

Have you ever heard it!
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
14025 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:41 am to
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There has been no evidence presented that Ukraine has biological weapons. You do realize that, right?


Thanks, Counselor. Did your 2022 Biden era propaganda MSM research tell you that??


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You DO realize that each one of these listed IS a biological weapon, right?? All it takes is a little gain of function magic. But, we would never do that.

Oh wait…
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
14025 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:42 am to
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GOF research is also not a biological weapons program


It worked with COVID.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:44 am to
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It worked with COVID.


The fruit of dishonest, irrelevant, and illogical "arguments"

Whose weapon was CV19, exactly?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478284 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:46 am to
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Did your 2022 Biden era propaganda MSM research tell you that??


No. The lack of any evidence told me that.

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You DO realize that each one of these listed IS a biological weapon, right?

Holy shite

The utter dishonesty and lack of logic, my god.

This is amazing to watch y'all continue to flail and prove me right.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
50480 posts
Posted on 6/14/26 at 8:01 am to
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No I love a good laugh - sfp


1) Then you're lucky. Anytime you need a good laugh all you have to do is go find a mirror.

2) Then again, I'm lucky, too. Anytime I need a good laugh I can always read one of your posts.
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