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Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:01 pm to dante
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I think the point dante is making is that these are the same arguments that were made against Obama in 2008 by the RNC. That he would blame America first (which was - in my opinion - a consistent theme of his candidacy). Seems awful self serving now that the DNC is using the same argument against Rand. He is turning their Left flank and they know it.
When the Dixie Chicks criticized Bush on foreign soil, republicans went ballistic. But when Rand Paul does it it's okay?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:01 pm to trackfan
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Are you saying that Obama should have stayed in Iraq and attacked Syria
No. We should have maintained a little stronger presence in Iraq since we were already there, but pulled most troops out.
We shouldn't have attacked Assad and Syria, but where we fricked up was aiding the rebels. That directly enabled ISIS to form and they got their hands on advanced military equipment.
Had we stayed out of that, like Rand would have, Assad likely would have kept it under control and ISIS wouldn't have formed into what they are today, and we wouldn't have to be going back into Iraq.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:02 pm to RollTide4Ever
What's interesting about this DNC response is that it presumes that they will nominate a hawk in 2016, despite the fact that no one has even declared yet. Does Hillary already have her operatives in the DNC working to clear the path for her?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:01 am to trackfan
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:21 am to RollTide4Ever
I caught this yesterday. Rand and Hillary will have the effect of separating true liberals from Democratic lock steppers and true conservatives from Republican lock steppers. Clearly Reagan is a Democratic lock stepper, but he seems to be the exception among MSNBC talking heads, most of whom (eg. Chris Matthews, Chris Hayes, Michael Eric Dyson, Joy Reid, Howard Fineman, Eugene Robinson, etc.) have been willing to give Paul his due when he expresses opinions that they agree with.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:29 am to RollTide4Ever
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“Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be – The Rand Paul Doctrine: Blame America. Retreat from the World.”
In psychology that's called "projection" and it's treatable.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:59 am to Bard
Posted on 8/30/14 at 7:54 pm to RollTide4Ever
MSNBC's Ezra Klein blasted the DNC's attack on Rand.
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I guess it's safe to say that Klein is waayyy off the reservation.
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But Paul's skepticism of the consequences of intervention and his focus puts him closer to Obama's outlook than to more hawkish members of both the Democratic and Republican parties. When Paul says that "only after recognizing the practical limits of our foreign policy can we pursue policies that are in the best interest of the U.S.," you can imagine the president pumping a fist.
Which makes the Democratic National Committee's response all the more telling. DNC Press Secretary Michael Czin fired back at Paul with a statement that reads as if it's been copied-and-pasted from a 2005 Republican National Committee attack on a liberal Democrat.
This is the brain-dead patriotism-baiting that Democrats used to loathe. Now they're turning it on Paul.
There are a few things worth noting here. The first is the ferocity with which the DNC responded to an attack that was, in truth, aimed more at Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama,. The second is the degree to which a Rand Paul-Hillary Clinton race would scramble the politics of national security, with Democrats running against Paul in much the way Bush ran against Kerry. And the third is that it's still the case in foreign policy, the real divide isn't left vs. right, but interventionists vs. non-interventionists.
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I guess it's safe to say that Klein is waayyy off the reservation.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 10:36 am to trackfan
I wonder if many dems are actually hopeful for a guy like rand because where they do agree, they will likely have more progress in changing our govt. reforming drug laws, reforming defense strategy, reforming voting rights.
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