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Disbanding Police Departments
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/5/20 at 9:54 am
Look, I am the first to say the US law enforcement system has gotten out of hand. Not a huge fan of no knock warrants, criminilization of all kinds of shite, departments who treat everyone they encounter like crap. I often tell people that some of these officers show less discretion in their business than we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. But do these people truly believe that you can talk your way out of gangbangers and domestic disputes? The people who are going to suffer the most are the black neighborhoods where crime is bad. My peaceful area will just hire its own cops. Victimization of people in poor and crime heavy areas will get way out of hand.
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Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:18 am to GnashRebel
quote:That's the legislators and the courts not the cops.
no knock warrants, criminilization of all kinds of shite
law ENFORCEMENT.
not law maker and not law decider.
I'm not even one of the back the blue types at all. Legislators and courts have turned cops into revenue agents and armed robbers. Think anybody really wants to sling fries for a living? They do it because that's what they get paid for. Same with cops.
Change the job description/duties and you change what cops do. That's on the legislators and judiciary though not on the cop.
So for all those "there oughta be a law" types. How ya liking the crop you're reaping from what has been sewn?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:21 am to GnashRebel
What’s really hard to wrap my mind around is the Democrats that love their government is going to now have to hire private companies to police Their communities now? The hypocrisy is unreal.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:27 am to Sidicous
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aw ENFORCEMENT. not law maker and not law decider
Then they should be able to do their job and let the court’s decide on appropriate punishment right?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:34 am to Smokeyone
quote:Their job is enforcement. Resist enforcement and get even stronger enforcement.
Then they should be able to do their job and let the court’s decide on appropriate punishment right?
The key part of enforcement is FORCE.
Keep resisting. It makes for excellent TV and social media drama.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:42 am to GnashRebel
I read where 16% of the country wants to disband the police....this number (16%) is inline with Joe's 10-15% of the people in the country are bad.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:43 am to GnashRebel
I refuse to believe that anybody honestly wants to disband police departments
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:44 am to Sidicous
So the police don’t advocate for fancy new gear, they don’t advocate for CAF, they don’t advocate for revenue collection, for the WoDs, etc? Cmon man. They aren’t innocent little enforcers just doing what they’re told, they’re absolutely complicit in all of this too.
I’m all for what I think Minneapolis is trying to accomplish. It’s not going to be chaos on the streets because there are no cops whatsoever, but hopefully if they’re successful they can remove the economic incentive the police have to over enforce everything, they can serve the public vs being at war with them, etc.
It’s been a wild couple of weeks but maybe some good will actually come from it. And not just in some race based lens but in general having the police and the communities they serve better interact
I’m all for what I think Minneapolis is trying to accomplish. It’s not going to be chaos on the streets because there are no cops whatsoever, but hopefully if they’re successful they can remove the economic incentive the police have to over enforce everything, they can serve the public vs being at war with them, etc.
It’s been a wild couple of weeks but maybe some good will actually come from it. And not just in some race based lens but in general having the police and the communities they serve better interact
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:46 am to GnashRebel
I really hope Blackwater or Halliburton get these new “private police” contracts... no idea what could go wrong...
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:50 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:So you're advocating for change are you?
So the police don’t advocate for fancy new gear, they don’t advocate for CAF, they don’t advocate for revenue collection, for the WoDs, etc?
So you're advocation is responsible for the looting and rioting. Lock you up!
Posted on 6/5/20 at 10:58 am to DavidTheGnome
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they can serve the public vs being at war with them, etc.
Except some of these cites are like war zones.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:09 am to GnashRebel
i asked a deomcratic solicialist friend on facebook the other day what she ment when she said defund the police. Her answer was interesting. The point she was making is defunding the military part of the police. the military style vehicles and training police forces recieve.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:20 am to Sidicous
quote:wrong muchacho. Cops enforce unconstitutional laws all day. They need to say no. They dont have to violate the 4th amendment; they choose to
That's the legislators and the courts not the cops.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:27 am to GnashRebel
Giuliani noted on his radio show yesterday that the black community's number one request was for more cops.
Look what happened in Baltimore. Are they really dumb enough to repeat that blunder?
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Look what happened in Baltimore. Are they really dumb enough to repeat that blunder?
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Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.
In the space of just a few days in spring 2015 – as Baltimore faced a wave of rioting after Freddie Gray, a black man, died from injuries he suffered in the back of a police van – officers in nearly every part of the city appeared to turn a blind eye to everyday violations. They still answered calls for help. But the number of potential violations they reported seeing themselves dropped by nearly half. It has largely stayed that way ever since.
“What officers are doing is they’re just driving looking forward. They’ve got horse blinders on,” says Kevin Forrester, a retired Baltimore detective.
The surge of shootings and killings that followed has left Baltimore easily the deadliest large city in the United States. Its murder rate reached an all-time high last year; 342 people were killed. The number of shootings in some neighborhoods has more than tripled. One man was shot to death steps from a police station. Another was killed driving in a funeral procession.
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Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:31 am to arcalades
quote:They also choose to do the job not a single detractor of theirs is willing to do.
wrong muchacho. Cops enforce unconstitutional laws all day. They need to say no. They dont have to violate the 4th amendment; they choose to
So step up, volunteer to police your fellow citizens. I'll bet you last less than 10 hours doing so.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:33 am to Sidicous
dims want Shariah Law.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:35 am to GnashRebel
Minneapolis: American Mogadishu. 
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:38 am to GnashRebel
It's all self-perpetuating.
If you don't see how shrinking executive commitments to law enforcement shrinks enforcement of nonsense laws and reduces the accompanying tax penalties (fees are a tax, tickets are a tax, court costs are a tax, permits are a tax) and how that leads to civic, social, and economic freedom for American citizens, you're blind.
How many cops would your city need if we struck 75% of parking and traffic violations from the state and municipal code?
If you don't see how shrinking executive commitments to law enforcement shrinks enforcement of nonsense laws and reduces the accompanying tax penalties (fees are a tax, tickets are a tax, court costs are a tax, permits are a tax) and how that leads to civic, social, and economic freedom for American citizens, you're blind.
How many cops would your city need if we struck 75% of parking and traffic violations from the state and municipal code?
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:42 am to DavidTheGnome
Isn’t the Minneapolis city council calling for the PD to be disbanded and replaced with public safety officials? So no one with law enforcement power? Sorta sounds like no cops.
Seems to me large areas of Minneapolis could easily devolve into dangerous no-go zones like we see in Paris, Brussels and Hamburg. Which undoubtedly will lead to economic wastelands in those unpoliced areas.
Posted on 6/5/20 at 11:44 am to Muthsera
I am in the worst Black Communities of Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, Tuscaloosa and Selma almost daily. The residents fear non neighbors from other "tribes" more than the police and Whites. (other Blacks) Go to Chicago and ask them about what they fear most .....the majority will not say cops ....in fact, they want more cops.
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